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Hearts 1 - 1 Aberdeen: Laszlo dives in over penalty that wasn't



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Published Date: 26 October 2008
Hearts 1

Wallace 20

Aberdeen 1

Mackie 13
IT ALL kicked off after the final whistle. Fourth official John McKendrick had to fend off Hearts manager Csaba Laszlo with his substitute board. Laszlo seemed to be making for the referee Steve Conroy. It is maybe just as well he didn't get there. Laszlo also clashed with Aberdeen coach Sandy Clark as the pointing and shoving and shouting continued down the tunnel. It was quite an afternoon. The football wasn't bad either.

Laszlo's rage surely stemmed from the late flashpoint in the game when Conroy appeared to award Hearts a penalty, only to have his mind changed by assistant referee Chris Young. Hence the eruption and threat of fisticuffs from the Hearts manager – or perhaps not if you listen to Laszlo's reason for him losing the plot. After a visit to the referee's dressing room, an unrepentant Laszlo protested his innocence.

"Why must I apologise?" The Hearts manager looked baffled by the line of questioning. "If you get a draw, you're happy? I can't go on the field? I didn't touch anybody. I don't abuse anybody. I was angry, but I was angry because we didn't score goals. You don't know me." He's right about the last part anyway. The SFA will be getting to know him a bit better, though, having announced last night they are going to investigate the incident.

What Aberdeen goalkeeper Jamie Langfield knew beyond any doubt was that Michael Stewart dived in an attempt to win a spot-kick. "I've not touched him. I knew he was getting there before me. I pulled my hands away and it's actually quite scary how far away he was. I was nowhere near him. He's tried a cheeky one and thankfully it's not come off. You have to give the linesman credit."

Aberdeen manager Jimmy Calderwood also praised the official for "telling the referee what he saw". Then Calderwood addressed the matter of a radio report that suggested his sacking was imminent. "I heard it after the game. It's crazy where they get their info from. If that was ever going to be the case, there are enough honest people who would tell me before any idiot phoned up the radio."

Aberdeen's problem isn't so much travel sickness as home sickness. Poorly at Pittodrie, they'd been in rude health on the road with three wins out of four and knew that if they beat Hearts they could move ahead of them on goal difference.

Hearts and Aberdeen splashed about in swirling conditions. Zander Diamond headed over the Hearts crossbar and Scott Severin flung in a few long-throws to test Hearts keeper Janos Balogh. Soon the opening goal arrived for Aberdeen.

Andrew Considine passed down the left channel and Marius Zalinkas should have dealt with it, but Darren Mackie nipped in to roll a calm finish under the keeper and Hearts were behind with less than quarter-of-an-hour gone. Not that it took them very long to catch up.

Lee Wallace combined with Christian Nade on the edge of the Aberdeen box. The shooting opportunity was on and Wallace did not disappoint.

His angled smash beat Langfield and hit the roof of the net. You had to commend both teams for producing such an exciting start in such tough circumstances.

Entering the final quarter, this game was there for the taking. You wondered too if the harsh elements would contribute to a winner. These were testing times to be a goalkeeper or a defender.

Saulius Mikoliunas found himself in a great position in the Aberdeen box but instead of the cutback to Nade he fired the ball across the goalmouth. Bruno Aguiar glanced a header wide from Nade's centre. Lee Miller cracked a low shot off the post for Aberdeen. Miller tried again but this time Balogh gathered.

Deividas Cesnauskis entered the fray and immediately got on the ball. Then there was controversy when Langfield ran out to meet Stewart who went down. Referee Conroy decided it was a penalty. Langfield protested he hadn't touched Stewart who, by now, had the ball in his hands to take the spot kick. But Conroy was consulting his assistant and after their conversation the decision was reversed. Langfield applauded. There was uproar from the Hearts supporters. And there was more to come on the final whistle.

MAN OF THE MATCH

Bruno Aguiar was everywhere for Hearts. His constant crosses and corners and he might have scored too with a header late in the game.

QUICK FACT

Aberdeen hadn't beaten Hearts since December 2006 with Steve Lovell scoring the only goal at Tynecastle. The Dons will have to wait a while longer and they could easily have lost this match late in the day.

TALKING POINT

The penalty that wasn't. The decision given. That decision then reversed in front of the Gorgie faithful. Csaba Laszlo's fury at the final whistle. The Hearts manager was out of control, incandescent with rage at what he perceived to be an injustice.

The full article contains 848 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

PJ07,

26/10/2008 00:03:14
The 4th referee's assistant board holder is the one who attacked Czaba and should be facing prosecution for gbh and adw.

GFA (GTF) scum at it again. Will the video mysteriously vanish before it can be used to clear the Heart's manager?
2

StockportJambo,

26/10/2008 00:46:43
So how many matches will Laszlo be banned for for protesting an absolute shocker of a decision / non-decision / decision-reversal / shambles?

And what will be done about the standard of refereeing in this country?

Answers on a postcard please... to you know where.
3

Hobo Harry,

26/10/2008 00:59:00
2 StockportJambo, Why not give us your theories on what can be done about refereeing standards?
4

It's me!,

26/10/2008 01:39:37
The picture on the BBC site suggests the fourth official is the agressive one with a finger in Laszlo'face.
5

KingKenny,

26/10/2008 03:09:41
I think SFA and referees need change. They is worst.

I am happy Ruben play fulltime and Mackie score. I hope Ruben more play First team and Mackie score,

Hearts and Aberdeen need New Players. I hope January Transfer window will help Two Team. If Two Team can sign Championship Scotland or Former SPL Players and Good Players
6

Daillyman,

26/10/2008 03:40:46
Had the Hearts to win 2-1 on the predictor. Thanks ref.
7

Footbal fan,

Dubai 26/10/2008 05:07:49
Whatever anyone else thinks about the "penalty" decision, it cannot be denied that it was a brave and CORRECT decision by the referee to consult his official (linesman)and an equally brave decision for the official to stand by his judgement and make the referee overturn his initial call. In a time when television pundits are slating ref's for getting it wrong and there is an increasing argument for using technology in the game to help ref's make the most difficult decisions, it is quite refreshing to hear about game officials doing what they are meant to do - aid the referee in making a correct decision.
8

Phil C,

26/10/2008 07:11:44
More paranoid lunacy from Gozlo and the Jambos. Hearts seem unable to accept decisions gracefully, even when those decisions are correct...and the diving is all still there. Slow learners or what?
9

royal & ancient,

sydney 26/10/2008 07:22:08
#5/6/8/12/14

You obviously lead an exciting life! Tw@t!
10

Scoop in the City,

26/10/2008 07:30:36
#15 R&A Ignore ,Ignore - do NOT feed the troll.
11

Mikey,

26/10/2008 07:39:01
#17, I agree entirely! Send that eejit over to the sectarian scum board where he belongs!
12

K c,

26/10/2008 08:14:18
#20 Why all the interest from one of the bigot brothers? Are you a "mini-jambo"?

As for the game, the penalty wasn't even Conroy's worst decision. He had a shocker!
13

david watts,

26/10/2008 08:36:08
I dont honestly think MS dived but if the TV pictures show simulation then I would hope Hearts would fine him heavily.I know the Hearts players arent the only ones who go down too easily,look at rat boy last week. nakamura,mcdonald boyd novo to name a few outwith Hearts.Not forgetting Malonys spectacular dive under no contact from fyssis a few seasons back.The player gets sent off and the fer all but sucked Maloney off before giving him the free kick.
14

Dragonlord,

26/10/2008 08:36:08
So if as everyone is suggseting Stewart dived, why was he not booked? Why was Miko booked for persistant fouling after his first tackle?Why is Tango man stating Stewart does not dive but Lithuanians do? Video evidence will show whethere it was a dive or not, however what is a fact is, Conroy has opened the doors for players to harrass the officials and get decitions changed, as the linesman only flagged after the dons compained.
15

david watts,

26/10/2008 08:38:26
#22 that 'fer' boy I speak off would be the 'ref'.
16

david watts,

26/10/2008 08:41:38
23. have to agree, why was the ref pointing to all those different spots on the park when booking miko? I'm sure he was just trying to justify the orders from the GFA to 'book miko in every game or else'. I never saw the four or five previous fouls he was referring to.
17

FTH22inarow,

26/10/2008 08:42:53
would the decision be changed if it was at ipox or darkheed, or would the ref say I made a mistake, but my decision was final, I hope we're keeping a dossier ot the outragious decisions we get against us in all games these days, it used to be just against the bigot bros
18

david watts,

26/10/2008 08:44:09
Phil C,does your surname begin with a C? wonder what it could be?
















COC K
19

swansong,

penicuik 26/10/2008 08:46:36
23- my 1st thoughts exactly.
rather odd to say the least.
20

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 08:56:58
I dont think it was a pen but I think if you see a clip of our manager he was trying to tell the ref he was going to clap to the fans at the Gorgie Road end.I may be wrong but thats what it looked like he was trying to say to the ref.
As for linesmen giving the ref info Im all for it but how often has anybody seen this happening?
Can we expect this to happen in the last gasp of an O F bigot bun fight?No you will not see this because they are told these are games where anything like that would have far reaching results with damage and death on the streets of Scotlands largest city.
It makes you so proud dosnt it.
The GFA also make you proud.It was a good game yesterday well done to both side for that considering underfoot and overhead conditions.I liked the the way Hearts were set up and if Driver was fit I think we would have won.
21

Talk o' the Toun,

26/10/2008 09:18:01
Another decent performance with the same old problem of no one to finish.Both teams served up a good game in awful conditions. Draw about right.Another bad mistake fom Zali & Miko for me was poor(Chesney far better when he came on).Best was Aguier with Wallace having another good game.Why no info on Drivers absence?
Penalty: i was right behind linesman & did not look like a penalty.

Bring on the Celtic.
22

forbesy1873,

26/10/2008 09:39:58
I for one am glad you didn't get the penalty. 1-1 was the only correct score i got on the predictor.
23

StockportJambo,

26/10/2008 09:55:00
#3 - what would be the point?

But since you ask: sack the GFA. All of them. Move the offices to somewhere neutral like Inverness instead.

Bring in referees from all over the country instead of Glasgow only. Give them proper training, and make them explain their decisions publically after the match.

Referees should be rated and relegated / sacked appropriately when they make bad decisions. Just like in England.

That would be a start... purely off the top of my head, mind. I'm sure I could think of more (as could you) given time.
24

X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 09:55:36
outragious decisions we get against us

____________________________________________

C'mon dude. You have nothing to be upset about.
The correct decision was arrived at in the end. I can understand frustration and angst directed towards a complete injustice...but in this case, justice was done...and you should be happy that the officials arrived at this. Yes?
25

Al Pacino,

26/10/2008 10:04:44
Dragonlord*23, Apparently you require to be corrected. The Referee's assistant flagged as soon as Stewart DIVED, which he did. The Aberdeen players quite rightly brought the referee's attention to the assistant referee as they were about to suffer a penalty kick won by an act of gamesmanship, cheating if you like. No sense in wailing over a missed opportunity that was not earned/awarded fairly. Hearts would have missed any resultant penalty anyway when the conditions and success/failure rate from the spot are considered (generally 70/30) the match would still have ended even.
26

Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 10:13:07
#33 - Exactly so.

The real nettle for Hearts fans to grasp is Romanov's lack of interest/investment in the team.

We're told Laszlo has apparently identified signing targets.

However, we're also told Laszlo "will seek ratification of his ideas from Romanov and sport director Anatoli Korobochka over the coming weeks."

Romanov has already failed to deliver. Hearts should have recruited a couple of proven goalscorers in the last transfer "window".

However, Romanov only sanctioned loan deals: one for perma-crock Tullberg and others for Riordan & Gow which both players rejected.

Why should anyone believe Romanov will do any more next time round?

Indeed, why does Laszlo feel he needs "ratification...from Romanov and Korobochka"???

Just how little autonomy Laszlo has is surely proven by the presence of Romanov's "snitch", Korobochka.

What a farce.
27

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 26/10/2008 10:24:07
my link to post here as the celtic/rangers threads are not open is to agree that hearts get the most biased media coverage in the spl..bet you wish you had the same friends in the media as "big boydie"
scott booth on setanta had NEVER seen a player more determined to score a penalty..the pundits on radio clyde didnt think he was offside for his second goal d'oh..and today after scoring a penalty and an offside goal against the worst team in the league he has according to the media proved burley and his critics wrong ??
if he plays and scores in rangers next big game..say a european match or league decider (or even gets a game) he might show up his croitics..but rangers and a big game..that wont be happening anytime soon xxx
28

Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 10:28:19
#36 You're particularly petty & vitriolic today - even by your high standards.

Why don't you unburden yourself and tell us what lies at the root of all this bile?

We're here to help, after all...
29

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 26/10/2008 10:29:48
#35. How much debt do you think Hearts should have?
30

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 10:30:54
If Stewart dived which the ref accepted by denying the penalty then he should have been booked. (Just as Riorden should have been booked for that incident.) Whatever way you look at it - horrible, inconsistent refereeing once again and the linesman would never have flagged had that been Rangers or Celtic as we all know too well. Miko's booking was a total mystery - the ref indicated it was for persistent fouling but that was his first and he let so many more from Aberdeen players go. Maybe for Miko fouls in other games count - he does seem to face different rules from other players?

Having said all that - good football played by Hearts again in very difficult weather. As against Hibs, we were the team trying to playing football and playing some exciting stuff. Very promising - same old thing - we need a predator in the box.
31

swansong,

penicuik 26/10/2008 10:31:24
33,34 - perhaps it was the correct decision, perhaps it wasnt. at this point i dont know.
. however if it WAS, why wasnt stewart booked?
38- dont bother.
32

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 10:33:12
35/I dont know if your a Hearts fan or not but I think you cant have it both ways.Do we spend wisely or get money grabbing players who are only here for the dosh or do wait and see if shabba brings in players at a lower cost but with with a better attitude towards the club.You can blame Vlad for lots of things but cant say has not provded ths cash for players way beyond some we saw before he arrived.I get the feeling you want Vlad out so give us your ideas on what we do?Do have someone in mind?If not stfu and get behind the team and the manager who btw we we asked for and Vlad gave us.Things aint great but I hate to think what would happen if Vlad said stuff these moaning Scotiish folk and picked up his ball and walked.
33

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 10:33:49
#35 In case you haven't noticed the world is in a completely different financial state than even a few months ago. I would imagine all purchase for all businesses now need to be ratified at the highest level. It will be difficult to get money to buy players, and this will apply to all teams. We should be applauding the current cost-cutting measures Hearts are undergoing rather than calling for more money to be put into the team. We tried that and it failed - let's move on and try something different - ie making the most of the players we have. To his credit Laszlo is making a better job of that than all his predecessors since Burley.
34

mon-the-hertz,

Glasgow - Southside 26/10/2008 10:51:45
If it wasn't a penalty then credit due to the ref and linesman for having the balls to change the decision - having not been at the game I hope the highlights don't suggest that Stewart could easily have scored had he not gone down.

Yet again - no finishing.
35

LionheartFodithman,

26/10/2008 10:53:28
As the referee blew up and pointed to the spot then he must have been 100% positive that he witnessed a foul.

If the linesman convinced him that in fact he was wrong then this must surely bring into question the integrity and the competence of the official.
He has admitted by his own actions that he did not see the incident and gave the wrong decision.

Had he not blown the whistle and consulted his assistant then he would not have given himself this problem.

Does Steve Con(apt)roy ever get the decisions right in his mind or does he just make it up as he goes along ?

BTW i witnessed the incident from behind the assistant and there did not appear to be contact between Mickey and the keeper.I dont think it was a dive though as he was off balance when he burst through.
36

VictorianGorgie,

26/10/2008 11:02:41
this shall be a flying visit from moi because after reviewing the match report thread of yesterday, i can see that these comments sections are still inhabited by some seriously unhinged individuals, people who are in urgent need of psychiatric help and/or those who should be segregated from society for the sake of everyone. much respect to the dwindling number of real football fans and decent, honest, law-abiding folk who are soldiering on with this forum, albeit fighting a losing battle.

on the 'penalty'... i didn't have a great view of it but my first thought was that it would have been soft. so stewart may or may not have gone down a bit easily.... so what? is it any worse than dozens and dozens of similar acts of embellishing a challenge in order to win a penalty, especially from the likes of nakamura or novo? so the referee awarded us a lucky penalty.... are we supposed to be embarrassed or something? why shouldn't we expect to benefit from a piece of luck in the same way as every other team? one reason.... an eagle eyed and determined assistant who obviously couldn't suffer seeing a hearts player possibly conning a referee. can anyone imagine that ever happening to rangers or celtic with the assistant in front of their supporters? it's just another example of how ridiculous the scottish game is.

miko's booking was a complete disgrace. the referee appeared to signal to he player that he was being booked for persistent fouling.... it was his first foul for goodness sake!!! the challenge he put in was a foul but never a booking, i can only assume that conroy needed to justify himself for his blatant victimisation of the player by pointing at various areas of the field where miko had committed non-existent fouls. truly ridiculous piece of refereeing.

i now yield to the various lunatics and retards who have completely destroyed this forum.

37

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 11:03:14
#45 Not necessarily. It looked a stonewaller to me and then I assumed it must have been a dive if not. But if what you saw is true, and TV pictures will confirm, and he was off balance that would explain the change of decision and the lack of a booking. In that case, we have to say the ref and linesman did well to make the correct decision between them. Still maintain it would never have happened in the last 5 mins at Ibrox/CP though. Linesman can't pick and choose when they get involved and in which games. And Hearts fans are still sore over the Miko and Davis incident which was a complete travesty that actually could have affected the outcome of the league.
38

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 26/10/2008 11:04:52
Penalty was hard to bear as a Jambo and as someone who had 2-1 Hearts.

Fact remains, the game was fairly even and 1-1 was probably fair. We used to be too open, playing 4-4-2 with 2 wingers and were easily outfought. Csaba has adressed this but for me we have gone too far. The balance of the team was all wrong with Ruben playing wide left and as a result you have Nade isolated with only occassional support from Bruno and Miko. All too often we got the ball in good positions but the man with the ball has one to aim at in the box. Not acceptable for Hearts at home to anyone. If we play 4-2-3-1 it must be just that. Instead it was more of 4-3-2-1 and we posed little threat.
39

mon-the-hertz,

Glasgow - Southside 26/10/2008 11:14:59
#47
Sometimes I think that I must have imagined that whole Andy Davis thing - it still baffles to this day that something like that could happen and in the end pretty much be accepted.
We can't judge all the refs and linesmen because of that (sickening) incident though but it's understandable that it affects our opinions of controversial decisions.
40

X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 11:22:29
As the referee blew up and pointed to the spot then he must have been 100% positive that he witnessed a foul.

____________________________________________

C'mon. 100% positive? When has a referee been/when can he ever be 100% in a marginal decision?
The nature of the game dictates that this is not possible. He has a small window in time to make that decision. He did. And he was wrong. Luckily for us, the linesman had the mental strength to stand up and put forward his opinion ( assumingly from a better viewpoint?). I know what you're getting at. Of course. The specsavers joke just isn't funny anymore... :(
41

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 11:27:43
#49 That's exactly how I feel. I can accept decisions grudgingly as evening themselves out (although I don't remember quite so many really bad ones as over the last few years) but it's the way the media focus on some and ignore others. Miko's reaction to Davis allowed them to completely ignore the central issue of the appalling decision Davis made and the Rangers player's actions. Likewise Laszlo's reaction to this game is being overblown in a way that overshadows what was a great game, allowing the media to ignore broader discussions over the standard of refereeing and whether the same would have happened at CP and Ibrox.

It's amazing how the media have open agendas against people who don't play by their rules or are a bit maverick (eg Burley at the moment, Romanov, Miko, Strachan at times) and yet fall at the feet of people like Walter Smith - a guy who left his country in the lurch at a crucial time - and even Kris Boyd (a guy who hasn't really done much for Scotland anyhow). The one common denominator is an unwillingness to upset the OF (the main "families" if you will), while laying into other clubs for similar indiscretions. Unfortunately, the SFA do exactly the same. Just don't say "mafia"!
42

LionheartFodithman,

26/10/2008 11:31:43
#50
For the ref to blow his whistle he is saying to you & me and rest of the punters that he has seen the keeper bring MS down,surely.
He didnt though did he,therefore he has made a decision based on what he thought happened rather than what did happen.That is unacceptable for a referee in any league.
43

Black Five,

edinburgh 26/10/2008 11:36:17
Fact is penalty or not Hearts again failed to win.When was their last win ? Aye ,about 5 weeks ago.This lot are going nowhere with this bunch of players and a half wit coach.Wish they could somehow ditch Romanov and his regime of clowns then some pride might return.This lot, coach and all have made us a laughing stock.
44

Talk o' the Toun,

26/10/2008 11:39:08
#54 far from the finished artile but a million miles from being a 'laughing stock'
As good a chance as any other team of finishind 3rs this season.

HHGH
45

Talk o' the Toun,

26/10/2008 11:39:41
'finishing 3rd'
46

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 26/10/2008 11:40:51
#51 i think you will find that gordon strachan..who even you can see suffers from a media agenda against him..is manager of celtic fc....walter on the other hand is a darling whose every word is uncritically accepted by his 80% friends in the media..
as i say look at the support for boyd from almost the entire monkey media..with todays amusing idea that scoring 2 goals against the worst team in the league is him proving his critics wrong ?? you couldnt make it up...xxx
do you fancy a draw next weekend or celtic to win...we are actually playing pretty well just now...
47

X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 11:41:22
I think there is an imbalance in terms of an overview of penalty decisions...and it is something that has irked me for some time.
ie
It always black or white.
It never seems to occur to most observers of the game that somebody may have been challenged (fairly) then fell down (without diving). It happens. Often.
That's why it gets on my t*ts when someone trots out the " Well...if it's nae a penalty, why was he nae booked for diving?"
It happens.

Disclaimer..."I have not seen the incident in question yet"...
48

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 11:41:44
#53 Laughing stock? Even the media are praising our football right now. We have the best midfield outside the OF. Get a striker and cut out very silly defensive mistakes and we can be optimistic this season will at the very least be better than the last.
49

X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 11:46:02
#52

i do agree with you on your general point.
The standard of refereeing in Scotland is quite terrible.
i think a lot of this has to do with the Cel;tic/Rangers factor. Pressure/paranoia and suchlike.
I know it shouldn't influence a Jambos v Dons match, but it can't help.

Yes. I've blamed the OF for all Scottish football's ills. Again. Sorry,
50

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 11:46:50
#57 It happens but it's a touchy area for Hearts fans as Hearts players have been singled out for bookings for diving when TV evidence clearly shows it was a foul or at the very least a 50-50 clash. Meanwhile other players for other clubs do exactly the same thing and get away scot-free.
51

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 26/10/2008 11:47:13
as a complete aside glad to se the sunday mail higghlight ticketmasters rip off (illegal??) activity of selling tickets through its "auction arm" getmein..where tickets are sold about 3 times the face value..this needs to be investigated..its bad enough trying to get tickets from them and paying the "add ons" without them now moving tickets into this con...dreadful
52

Championees,

The Emerald City 26/10/2008 11:51:44
HoM fans apologies or being on your thread, but I don't really have anywhere else to go, so here I am at 4.54 am wide awake and pi$$ed off as much as you guys about the result as I had you for a 2-1 win in the mini leagues!
53

Championees,

The Emerald City 26/10/2008 12:08:59
Yesterday as is today, I'm up at 4am, so I thought that I would watch a game, I fired up my laptop and checked out the Hamilton v rearangers game on footyfirst.

20 min's and a goal down the commentator said and I quote, mc coist is out screaming at his old firm players, end quote, and there was me thinking he was the coach of rangers fc.

Millers penalty was a soft one, I agree he was pushed, but the swan dive after? Was the 2nd goal offside? Yes it was but these are the breaks some you get and some you don’t. so fair play, besides for a tube he finished it well.

But I see the press neglected to mention the mini RIOTS during the game with the away supporters, one can only wonder WHY!

4 In a row coming your way!
54

Championees,

The Emerald City 26/10/2008 12:27:29
Did my ears deceive me or was it the wind howling into the commentator microphone? Several times during the game I thought I detected an illegal song being sung (Famine Song).

No it couldn’t be, surely it was just a Scottish storm!
55

X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 12:37:12
#62-64

I believe you may have posted in the wrong section.

Either that or you have a bulit in agenda to bore people.

Either way, No-one is interested.
So.
Go away.
56

busbyfh,

26/10/2008 12:41:00
From where I sit, when watching Stewart go over I said to my daughter "look at the linesman - he has seen the dive" so did not get off my seat to acclaim the award. Admittedly from a poor vantage point I genuinely thought that Mickey had tried to "win" the penalty - yes dive. The result was the fair one - we played most of the football on show and both teams must be commended for providing a decent game in hellish conditions. Aberdeen hit the same post twice and were the better team in the second half though in the last ten minutes Hearts could have won the match with a number of chances...not least of all a sitter seven yards out with two minutes left that was skyed just as the one was against against the tricolour fliers last week.
Miko might as well wear a target on his back as far as refs are concerned, though quite why he and Palazuelos were left on the pitch by Laszlo for so long (Spaniard for the whole match) baffles me as both were hardly involved in the second half. We did not take control of the game (after a fine first half)again until Chesne came on.
Bruno's position should be deeper than supporting Nade as his best work is done when controlling attacks, not acting as sidekick to the lone striker. How many players must we try in the position that is described as "in the hole" before we find a guy that is fitted to the role ? Sure isn't Ksanevicius who was brought on much to my bemusement - why he is still here bugs the hell out of me.
Three fine games in a row from Lee Wallace which I'm pleased about, as he surely was about to be binned for good after a bad year and a half. If he tightens his man marking by about another yard maybe we will see the player that all Hearts fans hoped he could be.

# 56
Strachan brings it on himself and we all know that Rangers have the media in their pockets after their boycott of the Daily Record a few years ago.....scared all the other invertibrate journalists half to death.
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Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 26/10/2008 12:46:18
#64 Champ..... cead mile failte romhat, A hundred thousand wellcomes to you.

x40 dog #65.......Go away, NOW!
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X40 DOG,

Aberdeen 26/10/2008 12:49:20
Christ.

Another one.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........
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Swordsman,

Dublin 26/10/2008 13:00:24
No real interest in the thread as I didnt see the game,but always like to read what the other fans in Scotland are thinking about their teams..Heartened (no pun intended) to see you are as paranoid and twisted as those you mock in Glasgow.

X40 DOG if you are indeed from FurryBoots City,I MUST ask. Are you a sheepdog?
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santa cova,

26/10/2008 13:40:02
68 furry dog, I see that you are a religeous furry dog. "Christ" and the Lords day do match up.

Aberdeen,,,,,,, the home of typhoid.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 14:05:43
#69 I just had a quick look back over the thread and don't see anything "paranoid" or "twisted" there. I see fans of a club discussing very specific incidents in the context of a problem that is recognised by fans of ALL clubs in Scotland - outside yours and your twins in blue of course - bias towards the Old Firm in the media and the inconsistency of referees when refereeing said clubs compared with when they ref the others. We're not paranoid. They really are out to get us.
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Dragonlord,

26/10/2008 14:06:22
According to the ref's cheif ( mcVicker)? After a recent rangers player went down without contact.For a foul to be given, contact is not necessary, only the intent. This however only ever applies to the bigot bros.Many seem to have missed the point here. How often will a ref change his mind during any game involving the bigot bros? How many times can anyone remember this happening before? How many times did the Dons players foul without a booking? Poor refereeing is common, but it is rife at Tynecastle.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 14:07:04
#64, 67, 70 - take your nonsense to those websites David Murray was talking about. Or church. Wherever you feel most comfortable.
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Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 15:35:22
#42 "Do we spend wisely or get money grabbing players who are only here for the dosh..."

Of the players who have shown this attitude, how many of them are/were at Tynecastle because Romanov foisted them on various coaches? Pinilla, Beslija, Nade, to name but some.

"I get the feeling you want Vlad out so give us your ideas on what we do?Do have someone in mind? If not stfu and get behind the team and the manager..."

It was reported on 25 September that an unnamed consortium had made an approach to buy HMFC but had been rebuffed by Romanov.

Do I want Romanov out? Yes, absolutely. If there are interested parties out there and they have the right credentials and real ambition, why not?

As Vlad's mate, Varanavicius said at that time, "Everything is for sale if the price is right. You can't say it won't happen in the future". I live in hope.

As for your remark that I should "stfu", you disappoint me. If this is how you respond to views you don't agree with, then it's perhaps no real surprise we have the likes of "Biley" complaining about the right to "free speech".

#43 "I would imagine all purchase for all businesses now need to be ratified at the highest level".

Whilst this may true in many cases, the fact is this is how it's been at Tynecastle under Romanov since he took over! The current fiscal crisis is now a convenient smokescreen for Romanov's centralist management style.

I'm well aware of the need for financial prudence. But is it over-ambitious to expect Romanov to sanction the PURCHASE of someone like Alan Gow?

You say the policy of spending money on quality players was a failure? But was it? Did Burley's squad fail to deliver?

Surely then was the time to press home the advantages we possessed and strengthen an already strong team? That HMFC missed that opportunity is down to Romanov's narcissism and pride.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 16:09:53
74/I appogise for my use stfu but you have harrped on the same way for long time now that I thought you were at it.I dont post very often on here due to some people,you will know who I mean.
I understand how you feel but I dont think you are giving the new setup a chance give it time.
Lets look at the facts we wouldnt at Tynie for a start without Vlad.I blame him for loads of things but to say he foisted pleyers on people, all clubs have players coming into there club who dont fit in ect.Some of the players you name were at some time class acts elsewhere
but did not do it for us and you can blame Vlad for takeing a punt on them in the hope he could make a quick buck.What I ask you is to come into the real world and tell me how many clubs in the SPL have had so many high earners.There is none,the Hearts supporters I know now want to be on a more realistic footing now and not go chaseing the supper stars who dont turn it on.We can still challange at the top.
I think your out of order slagging the manager as he seems to talk the most sence Ive heard coming of the place for ages.I dont know if you go to games but if you had watched them last season youd notice a marked improvement in our play.
Anyway if your a Jambo plase give it an other chance and get behind the club we all love.
JT forlife.
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Malc.F,

france 26/10/2008 16:37:01
Great to hear what people have to say about Hearts v Aberdeen match without mention of the OF but please,please,please x40 dog do not spoil your otherwise good postings by resorting to hideous americanisms such as dude,ok mate,pal china?.
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Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 16:41:58
#75 - I appreciate the apology, Dave.

I agree we owe Romanov. However, I believe the fans have a right to expect him to deliver more.

Under Burley, Romanov showed The OF that a serious challenge was possible. I just think Romanov should be aiming to repeat this. The big question remains - why hasn't he?

Since Burley's dismissal, however, Romanov has "played" at it. I think you could reasonably say that the club had no "proper" manager from October 2005 until the start of this season.

I think that's a disgrace and, for me, the contempt this has shown to the fans far outweighs any positives from Romanov.

I think the main reason certain players have under-performed at Tynecastle is because of the managerial void I've already mentioned. No leadership off the park, no leadership on it. And no discipline.

If Romanov has sanctioned high salaries for these guys and then not appointed a "real" manager to motivate them, and to maintain discipline, whose fault is that?

I maintain there's nothing intrinsically wrong in buying quality players and paying them top-dollar. BUT they do need a proper manager, an autonomous manager, for the investment to pay off.

Why can't Romanov see that?

As to my harping on about this, I do this because I think Hearts fans deserve better from Romanov.

Hearts fans deserve a leader who understands that the most important people are the fans, who is a visible leader, who is ambitious for the club, and who communicates his vision and his aspirations for the club to the fans.

Romanov is apparently not that man.
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Woospot,

here not there 26/10/2008 16:49:11
If there is one certainty in life, if you read the comments on any game involving Hearts it will ALWAYS result in a Romanov discussion.

Saddos.
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Woospot,

here not there 26/10/2008 16:51:09
If there is one certainty in life, if you read the comments on any game involving Hearts it will ALWAYS result in a Romanov discussion.

Saddos.
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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 16:58:39
77.Hi Im glad your a Jambo and care as much as I do,but I think your wrong in not giving the new manager a chance.As I said I blame Vlad for a lot of our problems but I sence a change with the new setup.
Only time will tell but what choice do we have?We can dream all we want for the perfect owner but if we dont support the club now it could suffer a worse fate than Vlad.
I hope you can still turn out and get behind them.
Cheers B.H. remember it could be worse you could be Hibbie.All the best J D.
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mcjambo,

26/10/2008 17:01:17
Hearts FC

Csaba Lazlo has been instructed by Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov to cut costs and sell players before he can get any in. Romanov wants to get in players with the potential to sell in the future as well as securing them on small basic wages with high bonuses. Kingston will be first out the door with Romanov determined to get at least £4 million for the Ghanaian International. Berra is desperate to leave and wants a new challenge– recent off the pitch problems has quickened up his decision after another “disagreement” with Marius Zaliukas , several senior players are said to be furious at the poor attitude Zaliukas continues to show along with Audrius Ksanavicius. According to my source (a senior player at Hearts) these two players “arrogant” and “unprofessional“ attitude is causing unrest in the dressing room amongst other players who, “continue to work hard everyday in training and never get a chance in the first team while Zaliukas and Ksanavicius are always given opportunities they do not deserve"

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Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 17:02:01
78/79.At least we are talking about our club and who won some battle in 1690 or who had spuds or not in the 1800s.If you dont like it go away and its a win win for us all.
73

Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 17:08:51
#80 - Cheers, JD.

#78-79 A stuttering Hobo, do you think..?
74

Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 17:32:51
#81 - If we assume your source is completely correct, what conclusions should we draw from your statement about:

1. Laszlo's management skills, and
2. Who picks the team??
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26/10/2008 17:43:23
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 17:56:50
Laslo is picking the team. Even Shaggy Frail admitted he himself picked the team. There is no evidence - none at all (not one single of these mysterious faxed team sheets has shown up - amazing considering the number of disgruntled people apparently at Tynecastle) that shows Romanov has ever picked a team. What he has done and may continue to do is have a say in player purchases and departures. He has also had a say when he wants a player in the "shop window" although he appears to be seeing the folly of this as it patently disrupted the team. He also has a say when there is a contract dispute.

In ALL of these regards he is no different from Murray, Petrie... or did Smith and Collins really, really want to sell Hutton and Brown and get them out of the team without investing the transfer money? Many, many owners - as Mark McGhee candidly admitted - have a say in what happens with the team. Good managers learn to work with these people if they want the job badly enough. Bad managers throw their toys out the pram and walk off.

mcjambo - without a source your comments are pure rumour-mongering. Having some people happy and some not happy at a workplace happens at every single workplace everywhere in the world. It's not even just a football thing. So you've never moaned about a colleague then?
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twists'n'turns,

26/10/2008 18:22:57
81# mcjambo

Didn't Berra state he wanted to leave in the close season? Wasn't it Vlad who refused point blank to sell him?

I might be wrong but that's my recollection of events back then.

If I am correct, does not sound to me like Vlad is trying to cash in on his assets.

Just a thought.
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Der Kaiser,

26/10/2008 18:34:20
Highlights now on the internet.

Watched the penalty incident(about 11 times) and it's not clear if there's contact or not but Mickey does go down quite easily. When I was at the game I thought that Langfields glove clipped the toe of Mickeys boot but the highlights don't seem to catch it very well.
That aside, with Langfield in no-mans land minutes later it only makes Mole's miss even worse. How he's not buried that (or at least hit the target) is unbelievable. Tullberg better be good when he's fit as our main problem at the moment is simple....we need someone who can put the ball in the opposition net. Nade last week and Mole this week would have seen us sneak a win in games we probably didn't deserve to win.
Would have liked to have seen the Miko booking again but it's not on the highlights. At the game the contact seemed minimal and the ref appeared to justify the yellow card to Miko by pointing about the pitch at other fouls when that was actually Miko's first foul!
79

Bleeding Heart...,

26/10/2008 18:40:39
#85 - Not much debate on this occasion from me, Biley.

As to Junior's statement at the AGM, he was quoted as saying "You think Vladimir wants to pick the team? He doesn't. He has to sometimes".

Thus I'm suspicious of Korobochka's role, for example. I'd hate to think he's undermining Laszlo's authority, but it's difficult not to envisage ths happening.

Ultimately, it's all down to Romanov, isn't it?

As George Foulkes said in the wake of the AGM "I am fearful our hopes for the club have blinded us to reality".
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Der Kaiser,

26/10/2008 18:44:44
#87
Berra asking to leave is news to me. I know he was unhappy (as most players were) but I'd be surprised if Hearts cash in on him in January. We should look to move Kingston on. I really like Larry but this season he's blown hot and cold (mostly cold) and with an abundance of midfielders I'd be happy to make some money out of him before his form gets worse. Bruno's contract is up next summer (I think) which means he could sign a pre-contract in January. We should definitely renew his contract asap IMO.
I'm like a broken record with Zal, move Karapidis back to defence and have Zal on the bench. As for Audrey, he's simply not useful so sell him back to Kaunas. Makela and Jose can be sold on as well. Makela can only score on loan and in the reserves so no point hanging on to him. I don't expect to see Jose back so get some pennies for him too.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/10/2008 18:50:02
#88 I just watched it and was expecting it to be much more conclusive given how sure the linesman would have to be. How the linesman can tell is beyond me especially as, if you look at the linesman in the live action before the replays - he is not level with Stewart and there's an Aberdeen defender between him and the incident. I also thought at the time that Langfield's hand clipped Mikey's trailing leg and if you watch the movement of Langfield's hand and Mikey's foot it still looks like that on TV. His foot moves. Still Mole should have won the match at the end so we still could have won.
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Waspy100,

26/10/2008 18:51:13
#3
Hello Harry how are you long time no hear.
Just logged in after a day with the family.
Refereeing standards do seem to be slipping but is that because there are cameras at every game.
Seem to remember 50 odd years ago hanging over the wall Tynie telling a linesman (sorry assistant) where to stick his flag and a ref where to stick his whistle and both where the nearest optician was.
Most refs got good marks in the press today so the problem may not be that bad and I may not be paranoid (but I'm not putting money on that)even Victor(#46)has had enough as sad wee people with nothing or nobody like bto invade the threads and spoil the banter.
Shame really but there you go.
Slainte from Waspy

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Waspy100,

26/10/2008 18:53:06
#3
Hello Harry how are you long time no hear.
Just logged in after a day with the family.
Refereeing standards do seem to be slipping but is that because there are cameras at every game.
Seem to remember 50 odd years ago hanging over the wall Tynie telling a linesman (sorry assistant) where to stick his flag and a ref where to stick his whistle and both where the nearest optician was.
Most refs got good marks in the press today so the problem may not be that bad and I may not be paranoid (but I'm not putting money on that)even Victor(#46)has had enough as sad wee people with nothing or nobody like bto invade the threads and spoil the banter.
Shame really but there you go.
Slainte from Waspy

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Waspy100,

26/10/2008 18:54:31
Just to prove a point as for some reason they tried to block my post
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26/10/2008 19:14:27
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morris,

edinburgh 26/10/2008 19:14:55
Bruno Aguiar is a classier player than most at Tynie, and will make a slight difference to Hearts,but he cannot do it on his own,and there are maybe four or five in this squaud who could seriously hold on to their places.The majority simply do not measure up.Until the squad is strengthened and I do not mean another batch of Lithuanian also rans,then Hearts will stay mid table.
Aguiar will attract attention from further afield.Enjoy him while you can.
Hearts are still a selling club,but if they sell less its because they have less worth buying these days.

This club is going nowhere which is sad because this manager looks like given a free hand and some money he could start to achieve something.

We will never know for sure as Mad Vlad amuses himself with his plaything.Romanov likes watching football.Thats what he is good at! WATCHING!He should sack himself .At least he will have got that one right!