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Tory plan for sky-high flight taxes



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Published Date:
11 March 2007
DAVID Cameron's new Tories are preparing to make taking the plane more expensive in a bid to force more people onto regular public transport - and to help save the planet in the process.
The Conservatives will attempt to assume the mantle of environmental saviours this week with a series of 'green tax' proposals designed to present a Tory approach to tackling climate change.

The focus of the shadow chancellor's campaigning zeal will not be belching factory chimneys or gas-guzzling cars, but the average traveller taking routine flights between British airports.

George Osborne will lay out hugely controversial proposals for tackling the carbon emitted by domestic flights every year, by making it more expensive for passengers to take the plane.

The options, to be unveiled during a keynote speech on Thursday, include:

• Slapping 17.5% VAT on domestic air travel for the first time, in an attempt to force more people on to inter-city train services;

• Issuing regular travellers with personal 'green air miles' accounts. Measuring their air travel and their first few flights would be taxed at a flat rate but any journeys over a set level would be taxed at a progressively higher rate.

• Keeping airline passenger duty but levying it per flight, rather than per passenger.

• A new 'green duty' on airline fuel.

While it was welcomed by green campaigners last night, the blueprint threatens to alienate some of the Tories' most loyal supporters - starting with the business community.

The VAT proposal alone would add at least £12 to the £70 average return fare paid by passengers every day on the busy business service between Edinburgh and London.

But it would also have a severe knock-on effect on travellers who insist domestic flights represent the only practical way for them to make routine journeys between their homes and elsewhere in the country.

Residents of some of Scotland's furthest-flung island communities have benefited from the across-the-board fall in the cost of air travel in recent years, with one-way fares to Edinburgh from Wick, Kirkwall and Stornoway to Edinburgh now as low as £32.

But 'essential' air travel, including routes between the islands and the mainland, would not be protected from the Tories' new-found green zeal.

In a top-secret paper circulated among senior colleagues, Osborne admits that his proposals must apply to all domestic flights without exceptions.

"European Union law does not make any provision for distinctions between regional and inter-city flights," one senior Tory source explained last night. "This means that any VAT changes would have to be imposed on all journeys - including to the Highlands and islands, and the commuter routes which present the biggest problems in terms of carbon emissions.

"George has also pointed out that his ideas will present particular problems for the banking, finance, insurance and charity sectors."

Donald Manford, transport convener of Western Isles Council, said the "devastating" proposals would further isolate the islands after years of trying to improve links with the rest of Britain.

"Transport is the key for us, it is not an optional extra, especially when we don't have railways," said Manford, who lives on Barra. "If you make it more difficult for us to get over to the mainland or for people to come and do business here, you just make us more peripheral than we already are. People have to use domestic flights for their own personal reasons, but cheap air travel is also vital for our business and the viability of our communities."

Environmental campaigners Friends of the Earth (FoE) said the Tory proposals would be a welcome contribution to the debate about global warming, only days after the European Union agreed to fight climate change with more windmills, solar panels and efficient light bulbs.

EU leaders pledged that a fifth of the bloc's energy will come from green power by 2020, following a summit in Brussels on Friday. Tony Blair said the agreement gave Europe "a clear leadership position on this crucial issue facing the world".

FoE spokesman Martin Williams said air travel had to come under the microscope. "We have been calling for the price of air travel to more accurately reflect its cost for a long time.

"The industry already gets away with benefits like not having to pay tax on its fuels - and that's even before you consider the damage it does to the environment. Some flights are unavoidable but domestic ones are the best ones to target - if only because we have plenty of trains as an alternative."

Osborne will unveil his radical green tax proposals as "options" for "consultation" - but they will nevertheless represent the most controversial policy plan yet unveiled under Cameron and one of the most dramatic tax plans ever by a mainstream party.

The key proposal is to replace the existing airline passenger duty of between £10 and £40 with a new system of 'personal carbon allowances'.

The full article contains 826 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

www.scottwebb.co.uk.,

11/03/2007 01:13:36

The mans a puppet.......but ain't they all :)

2

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11/03/2007 01:38:47
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Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 01:39:19

Absolute rubbish - VAT would make absolutely no difference to business travellers - it's all reclaimable.

Another case of stop the POORER members of society travellin to allow more room for the rich. - Exactly the same as road charging.

Despicable.

4

Bill, Dunblane,

11/03/2007 02:28:43

1 - Scottwebb

Don't you mean 'Muppet'?

5

Androsthenes,

EDINBURGH 11/03/2007 02:33:10

Now that London Imperial Airways (formerly British Airways) only has flights ex Heathrow and Gatwick this gives a great chance for Scots to pay double taxes for travel out of the UK since we have to change in London.
That's what you get for not voting Tory!!!

6

Bret,

New York 11/03/2007 03:52:52

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
What's the next joke of the week from the Tories?

7

Mallory,

11/03/2007 05:07:32

I hope this ******** is forced to travel on the already congested London / Scotland Routes train and / or bus routes.

Only a Tory with access to motor transport and money would come up with this one.

I wonder if the Edinburgh pub industry has factored in the effect of this kind of rubbish on sports and stag party weekends?

8

Ubi,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 07:00:51

Fools, fools.

9

james 1st,

nz 11/03/2007 07:03:55

first you have to increase the number and speed of trains, then you have to reduce the cost, then people wont fly. as a tourist i found the cost of trainsin the uk to be ridiculously high. mind you everything else has sky high costs when compared with other european countries.anyone who votes tory deserves what they get, that includes both the conservatives and new labour

10

GraniteCity,

11/03/2007 07:50:19

Inter-city train services !.....IN SCOTLAND !....what the fcuk are they.

11

lisa,

perth 11/03/2007 08:10:20

I'm still struggling to understand the notion espoused first by Ken Livingstone, then Gordon Brown, and now David Cameron, that pumping carbon into the atmosphere is ok as long as it is done by people willing to hand over some money to the government.

Travel in the UK is becoming a bit like belonging to the Catholic Church. But instead of three hail marys and your off the hook, you have to hand over £20 to a politician to be forgiven.

12

Johnny7,

11/03/2007 08:25:55

What an idiot. Didn't he see 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' on Channel 4 on Thursday.

13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Erewhon 11/03/2007 08:55:40

Fossil fuels are running out. It makes good sense to reduce dependence on them whether or not CO2 is causing global warming.

Much more fuel will be saved if the national speed limit was reduced to 50mph. All new cars should be incapable of going faster, and capable of 100mpg.

Plane exhausts fill the air with not only CO2. Same with cars.

14

SS,

ss 11/03/2007 09:30:19

Crazy - while i agree businesses will absorb it #3, it has to be paid for somewhere. It will therefore be passed onto the customers of each of those businesses which means higher prices etc, etc. This will make the UK even more of an unfavourable place to do business. Nice move.
Things like this might only work if every country in Europe and the US, India and China adopt similar systems. All this does is isolate the UK.

15

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 09:38:18

Anybody see Channel; 4 'The Great Climate Change Swindle' on Thursday? Presenters, including an Editor of New Scientist, the Co-Founder of Greenpeace and a number of Scientists from relevant, Climatology, fields were in full agreement that Yes, Global temperatures are rising (slightly). But there they unanimously diverged from current pc, tabloid hysteria.
1 Global temperature fluctuations have been occurring for hundreds of thousands of years. Around 1000 years ago, grapes grew in Greenland. 500 years ago, the Thames and other major European rivers froze every winter.
2 There is a direct correlation between Earth's temperature and Sunspot activity, which affect the oceans with a 400-or so year lag.
3 More CO2 comes from active volcanos than all human activity combined. (by a serious factor)
4 Ditto from Animals.
5 Ditto from plant decomposition.
6 All serious scientific studies show that rises in CO2 levels follow, not lead, rises in temperature - CO2 is a consequence of, not a contribution to 'global warming'.
7 Upper atmosphere temperatures are falling, not rising - this contradicts the 'Greenhouse Effect' hypothesis.
8 The 'global warming debate' was started in the late 80's (as the Soviet Bloc collapsed) by 'The Greens', a ragbag of disillusioned Marxists, and the cry taken up by a bigger ragbag of Eco-Warriers, Flat-Earthers, Anarchists, Anti-Globalisers, Anti-Capitalists and Anti America ideologies. And Anti-McDonalds. Who all know how to manipulate the Media.
9 Up until that point we were apparently heading for another ice age.
10 (Human) CO2 as a cause of Global Warming is now such orthodoxy that 'Environmental Journalists' and the rest of the huge 'Carbon' industry' are scrabbling to produce ever greater hyperbole and doomsday scenarios to keep themselves in a job.
11 The chattering classes of the Carbon (Doomsday) Industry are resorting to fraud in their presentation of 'evidence' at th

16

Peter,

Kirkcudbright 11/03/2007 09:39:56

The carbon footprint of the international air travel business on the total Co2 output in the world is 1.5%.

The carbon footprint of the US is around 15% of the total world output but will soon be surpassed by India and China.

If the US reduced its carbon footprint by 10% then the impact of air travel would be negated. If Europe's chimney scrubbing systems were made available at a competetive price to the Indian economy then the impact of any reduction in air travel would be infinitessimal compared to the reduction of pollution by India.

But, hey, why let the logical application of science get in the way of topping up the Westminster gravy train with more quangos and jobs for their pals.

If you do the research you find that the green house gas theory has little scientific basis while the 'sun activity, earths tilt and rotation' theory has a lot of palentological and historical evidence in its support. Can the greenhouse gas brigade explain the mini ice age of the 18th Century - nope but the the tilt and spin mob can. How do the greenhouse brigade explain the increase in the Antarctic sea ice by 35% over the last 20 years? - they fudge and dissimilate.

In science stagnation occurs when folk jump on the band wagon of a particular theory. Did the Columbus discover America or Cook Australia - nope it was the Chinese in the late 14th and early 15th century when they were the first to circumnavigate the globe. For all you greenhouse gassers another wee problem for you to solve - how come the Chinese in 1421-23 were able to map the north Siberian coast round to Murmansk or Greenland?

The fossil record shows that at that point there was very little sea ice around the North Pole.

17

jim lad,

the capital 11/03/2007 09:48:40

We've had the great train robbery, now we have the great plane robbery. At least the train robbers got banged up.

18

desparate,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 10:42:17

I am retired and fly abroad 4 times a year to destinations further than Malaga.
So thats it folks they dont get my vote. (Lifetime suporter of conservatives)
enough is enough!!
Anyway most working people fly further than Malaga for their annual holidays.
What a way to lose an election.

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Rational cynic,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 10:50:27

#15 and #16

I believe you are wrong in your belief that global climate change is a swindle. Have a read of the article and comments at this link:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swi...

Now sadly, you will probably argue that it's written by climate scientists and / or green lefties. However, I encourage you both to keep an open mind and keep looking for reliable facts on the issue.

20

eestlane,

11/03/2007 11:16:16

Brian Brady - when did Wick become one of "Scotland's furthest-flung island communities"?

21

redshank,

new york 11/03/2007 11:27:14

With credit debt @ over a trillion pounds , youngsters unable to get on the property ladder. The number of defaults on morgages increasing daily. These politicans continously come along with new taxes every time you open the daily paper. To me it shows a total lack of depth in thier thinking. It also shows that they are certainly out of touch with the real world. The uk over the last 10 yrs has come to depend too much on politicans to decied it future.
So with that said maybe its time for Scotland to go it alone. With a small educated population,small solid industry [whisky/oil /tourism] base and a growing financial service section. The month of May be the time to get the ball rolling in that direction. I think the politican who suggests [ god forbid] a reduction in taxes may be pleasantly surprised. With only 5 million people, do you realy need three parliaments to make your laws and look out for you?

22

Unbeliever,

11/03/2007 11:36:24

#19

The Great Global Warming Swindle didn't say that global warming wasn't happening, just that it wasn't man made. Did you see it or did you choose to ignore it?
It looks like Tony & David choose to ignore it as they try to outgreen each other, Tony with light bulbs and now David with flying. Well I suppose it would shut off a convenient revenue stream. Funny how it's us that always pays.

23

Rational cynic,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 12:08:30

#23

Yes, I did indeed watch the full 90 minutes of The Great Global Warming debate. I wanted to hear what evidence it would produce to support the argument that global warming is a swindle.

It made me consider whether I had been misled by scientists who wanted to perpetuate their own research funding by scaring the population, or otherwise pursue their own agenda.

I wasn't persuaded by the evidence put forward in the debate, namely that the cause of the climate changes we are experiencing is solar activity. On balance I am more inclined to believe the findings of the IPCC and the large numbers of scientists who do believe that global climate change is happening (at least in part) as a result of emissions caused by human activity.

And yes, I did hear what the programme had to say about the IPCC. I was not, however, convinced by what was said.

As for the politicians, it's difficult to believe what they say. First, they have their own political agenda (get re-elected) and second, their track record in communicating with the population is poor (spin and worse).

So, I prefer to put my trust in the scientific community and their methods of working.

24

loosehead,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 12:19:10

In the very unlikely event of the Tories` being elected and imposing this VAT charge, any future government would find it difficult, if not impossible, under EU law to rescind it. As is pointed out above, most of the VAT, being a business expense, would be recoverable anyway. But it is all election showboating - "My carbon footprint is smaller than yours, yaboo."

25

Thomas the Tank,

Embra 11/03/2007 12:27:30

Thanks for the support, 16 & 23. Cynic, we'll need to differ on the IPCC - I was convinced by the Scientists who had demanded their names be removed from a final document that turned their research on its head with highly selective editing and, basically, prostituted science for political ends. How many other 'scientists' in the '2500 members' ( the programme also pointed out that many of the 2500 are political placemen) are in a similar position but don't know it?
The Co-founder of Greenpeace had also left in disgust at the scientific ignorance the organisation was increasingly coming out with.

'Politicians are like Babies' Nappies - they need changing regularly and for the same reasons'.

26

Rational cynic,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 12:43:12

Thomas et al,

I agree that the message from the scientific community is not clear enough, or perhaps it is being deliberately clouded by those who don't want to take action to deal with climate change.

It would be helpful to know what the numbers are - how many well informed members of the scientific community support the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change, and how many don't.

BTW, did you read the article at the link I posted above at #19 ? And have you read any of the recent IPCC report?

27

11+failed,

the pans 11/03/2007 13:14:05

We might hope that increased tax on fliying might reduce the numbers attending these "Global Warming" junkets set up by such as the largely discredited IPCC. However, since few if any of the attendees pay their own fares it will have little effect.

28

11+failed,

the pans 11/03/2007 13:17:00

IPCC meetings in 2007

16-18 January , Qatar
22-24 January Switzerland
29 Jan - 1 Feb France
12 – 16 Feb India
2 - 5 April Belgium
30 April - 3 May Thailand
4 May Thailand
30 July – 2 Aug USA
18-20 Sept The Netherlands
9 - 10 Nov Spain
12 – 16 Nov Spain

29

11+failed,

the pans 11/03/2007 13:48:54

The IPCC typically issues a "Summary For Policy Makers" (SPM) for the media and policy makers. Unfortunately, these contain very little science, are compiled largely by UN bureaucrats and political representatives and do not convey the lack of consensus on science questions that often exist. The net result is that politicians and the media ignore the scientific panel reports (which are confusing to them) and read only the politically biased SPMs.

30

Alexander,

11/03/2007 14:24:41

27. Rational cynic
"And have you read any of the recent IPCC report?"
Yes, the IPCC report can be read on its website. However, the hoi polloi are not given access to the underlying submissions to the IPCC upon which their (largely political) conclusions(summaries) are based.. Further,on investigation the much vaunted IPCC "peer review procedure" is limited to scientists selected and "approved" by the predominately political appointees of the IPCC.

31

Rod,

In the nets, fending off googlies. 11/03/2007 14:34:40

#21 Brian Brady - when did Wick become one of "Scotland's furthest-flung island communities"?

Since the hot air from the doom and gloom merchants raised sea levels and Wick became isolated from the mainland. ;-)

32

What's Up Jock?,

11/03/2007 15:47:21

conservation of fossil fuels, yes....but bo****ks to man-made global warming. Yet another politician climbing on the pc/green fascist bandwagon - just as the wheels are coming off (I refer to the "Great Global Warming Swindle").

33

Edward,

11/03/2007 16:19:17

Another party recognising a cash cow hwen it sees it
The facts remain that the UK as a whole produces less CO2 emissions that most other countries
Consider this: The UK is 30th in the league table of CO2 producers per head population (the uk as a whole produces 9.15 metric tonnes per person), compared with the USA, which produces 19.92 metric tonnes, Australia 17.29 metric tonnes, Canada 16.54 metric tonnes. Closer to home, within the EU, we have Luxembourg 21.6 metric tonnes, Finland 12.68 metric tonnes, Belgium 11.34 metric Tonnes, Netherlands 11.11 metric tonnes and Germany 10.46 metric tonnes.
This is the data the politicians would prefer no one knew!.
Unfortunately its a well known fact that the ordinary citizen of the UK has 'MUG' tatooed on there forehead.
What I would like to know from the politicians, instead of bullying the people of this country and conning us about what we should be doing. What about going abroad to all of the 29 other countries that produce far more than we do per head of popualation??
I use these figures, for its this data that keeps being used by the Green lobby to justify taxing us more

34

Unbeliever,

11/03/2007 16:41:31

#27
You haven't read the IPCC report. It isn't published yet.
What you have read is the politically edited summary of the report.
The report itself is being edited to fit with the published summary and will be published later.

35

steve077,

11/03/2007 17:45:52

Another bunch of thieves no different than Labour - booked an Edinburgh - London flight recently and the tax was more than the fare - This is just another money making exercise with nothing to do with the environment.

Get people on the trains - There was one return fare for the above journey costing over £300 - God knows what you get for that. The cheapest return was around £96. All the cheaper singles had gone and they expect you to use the trains.
Having a laugh!

36

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Erewhon 11/03/2007 17:52:23

Flying is a waste of valuable fossil fuels. Such fuels are irreplaceable sources of useful chemicals. Using fossil fuels as fuel is an abuse of a natural resource.

Let's tax this abuse heavily, and put the sums raised to research into morally, ecologically and economically sustainable alternatives.

CO2 matters are largely irrelevant if you follow the science.

37

Biker,

Ayr 11/03/2007 18:02:13

Do these people actually want to be elected????

38

Richard Lionheart,

edinburgh 11/03/2007 19:33:50

#18 No need to vote then.

They are all on the same bandwagon!

39

CJO,

The Maghreb 11/03/2007 19:41:10

If this reduces the number of people that can afford to fly I'm all for it. It was quite ghastly at Gatwick on Friday morning trying to squeeze past the buckets and spades brigade that clutter the place up when all you want is a latte and a bacon roll in the Executive Lounge. Thanks God for the fast track security lane.
Additionally, there is of course huge economic opportunity here for Scotland. All the old run down seaside resorts can be rebuilt creating jobs and re-opened. The holiday pay will then be re-distributed within Scotland and all will be right with the World.

40

Richard Lionheart,

edinburgh 11/03/2007 20:06:05

#15 and #16.

The programme quite clearly demonstrated the co2 angle.

It showed that Al Gore's graph on CO2 leading climate change was incorrect. They agreed that there was colleration between, Climate warming and Co2, but that CO2's increased some 800 years after the warming began. If you followed the trend, it also showed that natural emissions also increased at this time.

It was interesting that the world's oceans are in fact the largest contributor to co2 emissions.

No one has said that Global Warming is not happening at this time, but there are two camps as to cause and effect.

The co2 camp, has produced models to predict what will occur in future, only thing is these are flawed if the basic equation is flawed.

Personally, I think that this programme proved that the Co2, camps equation was wrong!

Therefore we cannot "save the planet",
the planet will Save itself. We need to adapt to what it is doing. Nobody likes change, so some people try to stop it, while others get on and run with it!

Tony Blair has adopted the CO2 argument, but cannot guarantee that it is right. So the adage is, it is better to look as if you are doing something than do nothing at all, and if you can raise billions in tax from it and possibly make a personal fortune all the better!

#24 Rational Cynic,
"So, I prefer to put my trust in the scientific community and their methods of working."

Glad to hear it, from what I can make out the IPCC, is not made up of scientists, only some of them are scientists, the others are political advisers, but each of them gets sway on the written report. The balance goes in favour of the Political Lobby, as they appear to have more votes.

I think the scientists are beginning to realise that they need to get their story out, and I only hope they do it before Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are able to escape blame for misleading the Public and the World so badly!

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41

Rational cynic,

Edinburgh 11/03/2007 20:21:42

31 (Alexander) and 35 (Unbeliever)

Yes, only the Summary for Policy Makers is available on the IPCC website at present.

You both cast doubts on the content of the (summary) report, but don't give any evidence to support your assertions. I would be keen to see and read your evidence - it might change my opinion.

I did a bit of searching and found a helpful reference at this link:

http://www.answers.com/topic/scientific-opinion-on-climat...

Have a look and you'll see that the IPCC view is supported by other scientific bodies.
The question is - how many (well informed, knowledgable, rational ) people agree and how many don't.

The article at the above link has a link to an informative New Scientist article which says: "Many of the IPCC's authors, some of whom asked not to be named, ... claim there is an extensive network of lobby groups and scientists involved in making the case against the IPCC and its reports. Automobile, coal and oil companies have coordinated and funded past attacks on them, the scientists say."

I'm still plunking for the view that says: "... global warming has begun, is very likely caused by man, and will be unstoppable for centuries ..."

42

The Strategist,

11/03/2007 21:39:07

#13 ......

So if I convert my car to run on hydrogen or bioethanol does that mean I can do whatever speed I like?

43

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 11/03/2007 23:33:52

Enjoy flying while you can because aviation energy supplies are going to become scarce very shortly.

I'd rather the UK government came up with an all new fuel efficient high-speed rail line between London and Edinburgh like the french TGV. That way people would get to London in just over two hours. That's quicker than flying and all the airport faff. The extra rail capacity would reduce congestion and prices so people would choose to use the train rather than being taxed out of the skies.
The TGV would have a knock on effect across the whole transport spectrum. Reduced congestion near airports, fewer flights, extra capacity on existing railways for freight, less freight on the roads etc etc.

A TGV would be better use of £30 billion than a few expensive nuclear fireworks!

44

Dod fae Orkney,

North Sea 12/03/2007 12:14:43

What a bunch of sad to$$ers! Shaft the working man again. All their rich voters won't even bat an eyelid. Let England get what they deserve and vote SNP in May and the Tories can do what they like.

45

James England,

12/03/2007 14:44:00

Like all Sottish politicans like Blair. Cameron also is a lose cannon.


 

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