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Kenny Farquharson: Give our soldiers a fighting chance


PERSPECTIVE

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Published Date:
22 June 2008
Join Scotland on Sunday assistant editor Kenny Farquharson from 5pm BST today for an online chat about the issues of the day. Add your questions or comments below – now – and visit here later today for the live discussion.
I FOUND myself in the company of some soldiers again last week. It's becoming a regular occurrence. Up until last year I'd had very little contact with the military other than a hazy weekend at Sandhurst in the mid-1980s when I attended the passing-
out parade of my best friend from school. At the celebration ball he and his colleagues showed how difficult it was to boogie to the Pasadena Roof Orchestra while wearing full dress uniform and a ceremonial sword.

Then last summer my teenage nephew joined the Black Watch, eager for action and experience, and earlier this year I found myself in Afghanistan writing about Scottish soldiers fighting the Taliban in Helmand province. Last week I was the only civilian in a group of serving officers who were home from the front line and relaxing with a beer, giving vent to their frustrations about their political masters. It was an eye-opening conversation.

Soldiers moaning about politicians is as old as soldiering itself. But these men made a compelling case that British military capability in Afghanistan is being undermined, and lives put at risk, because of a lack of cash and commitment from back home.

The first politician to have their reputation kicked around the room was Alex Salmond. There was contempt for the First Minister's provocative decision to host a dinner in Edinburgh Castle last weekend for Save The Regiments campaigners, who are seen by serving officers as undermining morale within the new Royal Regiment of Scotland. If Salmond does finally get around to paying an official visit to some serving Scottish soldiers instead of pandering to the blazer-and-regimental-tie brigade, he will get a frosty reception.

But Salmond got off lightly compared to Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Defence Secretary Des Browne. Partly it's a question of personal style. When Brown paid a short visit to Afghanistan last year the top brass were struck by the Fifer's lack of warmth and empathy. They were dispirited by his apparent lack of enthusiasm for the difficult task they were engaged in. They contrasted his demeanour with that of Tony Blair. One officer put it this way: "We knew Blair was a bullshitter, but at least he seemed interested."

Another problem for Brown is that the military remembers how, as Chancellor, he saw the armed forces as easy pickings for budget cuts. There's a story about Brown quizzing Royal Navy chiefs about how many personnel it took to man a destroyer. He was told around 400. And how many when in dock, he asked. About 60. Fine, he said, then we'll just pay for 60 full-time sailors and top up from the Naval Reserve when on operations. What he failed to understand was how much the lives of those on a warship depend on them being a highly drilled team. It isn't like bringing in outside catering.

Browne got it in the neck for his stock answer to any problem that can be traced back to decisions taken before he took up his post. Instead of getting his sleeves rolled up and sorting it out, the Defence Secretary's first instinct, according to his critics, is to say: "It wisnae me." But it's more than just a question of personalities. It's also about cash and equipment. Despite the military being stretched to its fullest extent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Sierra Leone, British defence spending as a share of national wealth is the lowest since the 1930s. In 2006, our armed forces accounted for 2.5% of the UK's GDP, compared with 4.4% in 1988.

To be fair, some things have improved in recent years. Medical evacuation and treatment in theatre is now exemplary. Gripes about basics like boots and rifles and body armour are much rarer, and Browne deserves some credit for this. But problems remain. The lack of helicopters in Afghanistan is hampering the British forces' effectiveness. Earlier this year, when the US sent in an additional Marine Expeditionary Unit of 2,400 troops, it came with more air power than Britain's entire 7,500-strong task-force.

Other standard equipment is inadequate. While I was with my new soldier friends last week, word was just coming through of the death of four soldiers in a roadside bomb attack near Lashkar Gah. "They were in a Snatch," said one of the officers, and this news was met with grim nods. The Snatch Land Rovers used to transport personnel are simply not tough enough to deal with the improvised explosive devices that are now the Taliban's weapon of choice. Having spent a tense morning in the back of one of these vehicles in Afghanistan, driving from Musa Qala through hostile territory to a remote army fort, I can vouch for the feeling of vulnerability. But there's a shortage of the more heavily armoured Mastiffs. It's unacceptable that British soldiers are being killed because they are driving in the wrong kind of van.

Money isn't just needed for hardware. The US military has at its disposal something called the Commanders Emergency Response Programme (CERP). Basically it's a slush fund of hundreds of millions of dollars. It's used to build clinics, mosques and schools, construct roads and distribute Korans. It buys goodwill and increased security and ultimately it saves lives. British top brass eye it enviously. Of course, ministers can't just write a blank cheque for the military. But our soldiers are risking their lives for a government policy that has strong public backing. They deserve our respect, and our practical support.

Join Scotland on Sunday assistant editor Kenny Farquharson from 5pm BST today for an online chat about the issues of the day. Add your questions or comments below – now – and visit here later today for the live discussion.



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www.r-o-a-r.org,

Dundee 21/06/2008 22:17:50
I think Kenny Farquharson misses the whole point when he bases his whole assumption of serving soldiers view by speaking to OFFICERS - try speaking to squaddies Kenny they are not in the pockets of the top brass at RHQ in Edinburgh. Did you know that a communique was circulated all around Scotland to serving soldiers and MoD personnel instructing them NOT to attend the event as the Castle. No the officers won't tell you that. Did they tell you that only 2 recruits in and over 40 out of one battalion - no I guess not.

Did they tell you morale is pretty low - no I guess not.

Trouble is Kenny you simply are not qualified to making sweeping statements and your less than half baked 'articles' are as usual fictitious and miss the point.

Serving Officers have never been overly interested in saving their Regiments and more likely to be worried about their promotion prospects. Real Jocks care about their Regiments. Get yourself up to Fort George, Ardersier,and ask a few soldiers what they think of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.
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Reject London,

PERTH 21/06/2008 23:00:02
Scotland on Sunday really needs to get some better journalists. Anybody with any knowledge of the army knows that officers toe the line and the line is a tight one as has been confirmed re: the banning of soldiers attending last weekend's castle event.

The red herring (nee lie) about campaigners undermining morale is laughable. Its not their efforts to restore identities but the complete loss of regimental identities and lack of government support for soldiers (real cash not parades and words) that cause the flood of soldiers quitting and a trickle joining.

Labour have lost the trust of serving soldiers and Scotland on Sunday have lost their objective journalism with yet another piece which fails to see both sides of the coin.
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 01:00:41
*Please enter your comment*
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 01:11:22
Hello:

I'll be online at 5pm today (Sunday) for a wee debate, if you fancy one. But here's a couple of extra thoughts, given the tenor of the first two comments...

# I accept that Save The Regiments campaigners have a legitimate view about the re-organisation, and it's shared by many people I respect. My question is this: does Roar honestly think that continuing its campaigning three years after the fact is having no negative effect on current morale? Absolutely none? Because we are talking about real soldiers fighting in real conflicts here, with many people from outside the military already disparaging what they're doing and why they're doing it. Do they really need this extra hassle from former armed forces personnel? This extra niggle that the regiment they're currently serving in, and in many cases joined up to, is in some ways a betrayal? I suggest not. I suggest it's a distraction they need like a kick in the head, when they have rather more important things to thnk about.

# To suggest SoS does not reflect the Save The Regiments view is plain wrong. As recently as last Sunday we ran a full page of analysis on the success or otherwise of the re-organisation, commissioned by me and written by SoS senior writer Jeremy Watson, who last year was dodging rockets while reporting for us from Basra. The redoubtable Jeff Duncan and other Roar supporters were quoted at length in the piece.

# Excuse my French, but some serving soldiers are mightily pissed off, because they say some Save The Regiments campaigners have never even served in a Scottish regiment. I find this hard to believe. Surely this can't be true?

# www.r-o-a-r.org: "your less than half baked 'articles' are as usual fictitious" Er, no. They are not fictious. They just reflect a position that you don't agree with. (Jeezo, I sound like a Father Ted script..."Now concentrate this time, Dougal. These [pointing to plastic cows on table] are very small; those [pointing out of the window] are far
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 01:14:33
...away" (Cut short in my prime there!)

Maybe see you at 5pm..
6

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 01:37:25
just entered another post that you seemed to have made disappear
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 01:40:08
Arule for those that stand by Kenny and another rule for those that dont.
Newspapers that dictate,where is the democratic state that we live in.
No wonder the country is going down the swannie
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 01:42:11
I was caught short in my prime twice,if you are going to give us a story and invite debate,for heavens sake print it
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 01:47:11
Just seen the half baked post of Farquharson,surely that idiot should not be in a position to say the bile that he is spewing out
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Major (Retd) Michael Hamilton, KOSB,

Kelso 22/06/2008 05:47:31
Ex-service personnel of all ranks including myself who campaigned tirelessly for several years in support of the former regimental structure have been careful, since Parliament made its decision, never to write or say anything that could affect the morale of all the new regiments. I do not make any claims about ROAR for whom I am not a spokesman – they are well able to defend their own corner.
Let’s leave opinion out of this and look at the facts.
Fact. Along with but apart from ROAR, we started the campaign of letters in national and local newspapers about low pay, inadequate equipment, shortage of fixed wing and helicopter aircraft, inadequately protected front-line vehicles, and dreadful standards of many barracks and much service housing.
Fact. At first we were opposed by politicians and no doubt at their behest by the MoD publicity machine. Remember The Timers newspaper letter from a woman in the MoD: “soldiers in Iraq do not need any more pay – there is nowhere there to spend it” - remember? Remember that and our furious reaction – we were the first to draw comparisons with bus driver’s etc pay.
Fact. Since we started campaigning on behalf of serving personnel as they are not allowed to speak out, gradually more and more influential voices have come out into the open agreeing with what we have been writing all along - even including coroners and the head of the Army himself who recently wrote that military pay must be improved. Gradually things have improved for the armed forces but there remains much to be done.
Fact. We live in a democracy and we have the right to speak out on any maladministration by the government, not least life threatening maladministration such as that suffered in silence by the superb personnel of all three armed services.
Fact. The morale of the armed forces has not been lowered by former service personnel who went silent on the regiments issue once Parliament decided the matter but who continued speaking out for them – far
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Major (Retd) Michael Hamilton, KOSB,

Kelso 22/06/2008 05:49:28
final paragraph complete:
Fact. The morale of the armed forces has not been lowered by former service personnel who went silent on the regiments issue once Parliament decided the matter but who continued speaking out for them – far from it – it has been lowered by a disgraceful government.
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Major (Retd) Michael Hamilton, KOSB,

Kelso 22/06/2008 08:32:23
May I apologise for the typo? It was of course "The Times" newspaper and not, as I inadvertently typed, The Timers.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 08:51:52
www.r-o-a-r.org/greathall.pdf
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 09:06:08
Kenny, you really come across as naive and how much military experience do you have - any?

Also, your talking about officers - for god's sake - most of them were born with a silver spoon in their gobs and only care aboot their status/promotion - of course they are going to be niggled that somebody is reminding them that Scotland's regiments are not that easily disposed of or forgotten. Unlike your paper's mini-campaign that lasted aboot 5 minutes (lol).

As even your paper's own article stated last week the 'lads' see themselves as integral parts of their own battallions first - as it should be.

No wonder so many are leaving and barely none joining - it's because the bullying totalitarian officers and above who jump hard on any dissension in the ranks.

Like attending a function at Edinburgh Castle given by Scotland's First Minister that they were banned from attending. Fighting for democracy in Afghanistan but none available to them in Scotland.

What a farce they army has become under the current motely crew who administer it from their ivory towers in Edinburgh!!
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 09:41:41
Kenny,according to the veterans association they now boast a membership of 10.5 million.People should sit up and listen to the Blazer and Regimental tie brigade.
This veteran,s audience has now turned against the govt and the MOD for making all the wrong decisions ans some are quietly working against them
Why do you think labour did not do well in the last election,why are soldiers using their feet and exiting the forces in droves.
You reckon and ask why we are still campaigning after 3 years.
It took us double that time to eradicate the Germans.
The Iraq war has been going on longer.
And it looks like the Afghan war is going to go on in eternity.
If you keep working away at something,dont give up.keep reminding people of the wrong decision made by a spew labour party and agreed by the donleys and pin stripes in the MOD results will eventually appear.
I remind you that every political party was against the decision made by labour to destroy our regiments.
Holyrood actually voted to keep our regimental system
We have not gone all BOO BOO LIKE THE DONKEYS who sent out a signal to their employee,s to stay away from the castle at AS PRESENTATION.
The jocks wanted to come to be thanked by the first minister for all that they do for us.
A childish attitude has now been adopted by these officers ,who quite honestly are hell bent on destroying the armed forces for theit own enhancement.
I end by repeating that the blazer and badge boys are a lot stronger than the armed forces and the govt and are capaple of making changes.
We will keep working away as long as it takes
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I am Legion, for we are Many..,

ALBA 22/06/2008 10:12:27
Perhaps, for Many, things are more fundamental Mr Farquharson. Has it got to the point that if 40%> of the Community of Scots are seriously considering self-government then Scots servicemen and women are amongst those who believe Edinburgh and not London should decide their fates?
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highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 10:44:28
I agree with most of the comments here. My laddie is a Highlander and it seems that they are being stripped of everything that identifies them as just that. Worst still is this on-going war in Afghanistan that is in my opinion a total waste of time and lives.

It's no wonder that recruiting has collapsed and flocks of men leaving - what attraction is their? Certainly not being part of something that has been forced on them, wars of dubious reason, pay a pittance.

Officer class old boy - aye they always stick together - morale is not being affected by campaigning for identities - its affected by Labour politicians who say everything and do almost nothing for the lads.

Kenny you appear to be wide of the mark in your article - back to school.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 22/06/2008 12:07:10
The crocodile tears of the politico/nat posters is merely nauseous, the manipulation of the Save the Regiments campaign by Salmond is disingenuous but predictable. The treatment of our soldiers by Brown and Browne however is unforgiveable
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

Dundee 22/06/2008 12:28:16
Hi Mercutio

I guess you had better including the Conservative Party as well then in your analysis as they are backing a new summer drive to keep/restore identities.

:-)
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 22/06/2008 12:37:33
#19 I hope it is more genuine than Salmond's.
21

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 13:39:43
What makes you say Alex salmond is disingenuos? Is it based on fact/proof or an opinion?

Good news below

Labour lead slumps

Labour is trailing the Conservative Party by 23 points one year after Gordon Brown took over as Prime Minister, an opinion poll has revealed.

Support for the Tories stands at 49 per cent compared with Labour's 26 per cent - easily enough to give David Cameron a House of Commons majority at the next General Election.

The BPIX poll comes days before Mr Brown's first year anniversary in power.

The survey also found that 85 per cent of voters feel Mr Brown has performed worse than they expected since becoming party leader.

More than half of voters (55 per cent) said Tory leader Mr Cameron had exceeded expectations since taking the reins.

While 50 per cent of voters said he was charismatic, only 3 per cent could label Mr Brown with the same description.

One in 10 voters said Mr Brown represented change, against four in 10 for Mr Cameron.

The poll also revealed that a total of 53 per cent said that, in hindsight, they wished Mr Brown had not ousted Mr Blair.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 22/06/2008 14:34:08
21 Methinks you are not really interested in this thread.
23

Conan the Librarian™,

22/06/2008 15:55:56
22
Thou wilt quarrel with a man for cracking nuts, having no other reason but because thou hast hazel eyes.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 16:56:35
Well - I am here
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Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 22/06/2008 16:59:39
Hello!
Am online now for about an hour. Happy to discuss Afghanistan, any other issues of the day or anything that is (or isn't) in your Scotland on Sunday.
In a moment I'll respond to some of the comments that are already posted, but in the meantime feel free to join in.
Kenny
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:00:42
# 23 Conan
Romeo & Juliet, unless I'm much mistaken. Superb. Many thanks for raising the tone!
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:01:23
A Salmon has done more for Scotland in a year than spew labour has done in ten years.
Can you picture bendy wendy as our top minister.
Can you see the reaction as we send her,our ambassador around the world.
They would think that we are a nation of poison dwarfs
28

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:02:15
Kenny - why do you not speak to some soldiers whose opinions are often VERY different to career officers - oh and do you yourself have any military service/experience?
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:02:31
How many bottles of red have you had for lunch Kenny
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Nebulous,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:03:48
So Kenny- given defence is a reserved matter what can Alex Salmond do to improve matters for the troops?

I understand the Scottish Government agreed earlier this year to give priority to soldiers/ex-soldiers for medical treatment. Is that seen as being of any value?
31

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:04:02
Why do you think you are better educated on the armed forces than a man of ex 40 years service
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:04:03
Oh and do you honestly expect readers (I would fork out the real cash for the paper btw) to believe that some campaigners campaigning to restore identities and golden threads (as promised by a slew of top army officials) are lowering moral?
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Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 22/06/2008 17:06:09
Can I get something straight on regiments: I think it's a shame the Army is diluting the identity of the traditional regiments. I think there was a way of creating the new Royal Regiment of Scotland and still retain the old identities within the five batallions. In my experience the soldiers still refer to their units as the Black Watch, the Highlanders etc, rather than 1 Scot, 2 Scot, 3 Scot, etc, and I don't see anything wrong with that. The Golden Thread continues, although I think it could be stronger. But is it really the most important issue in the Army just now, when we're fighting such tough campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:07:05
One of your reporters told me they got a call from the army officials at Edi Castle - said it was obvious they were trying to do a 'spoiler' on the events of last weekend by asking for a piece on how 'well the Royal regiment was doing'.

What do you think of the order that went around telling soldiers NOT to attend the castle event?
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:08:09
# 29
it was the P7 kids v adults footie today, so believe me, i deserve the wee glass of red i'll be having when i've finished speaking to you fine people.
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:08:09
Why do these boo boo oficers keep talking the regiments up when they know and we know that the armed forces are in tatters
37

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:09:33
Kenny - you seem to imply that the army cannot handle both the campaigns and the issue of identities - btw it is almost a total loss of identity.

1. laying down colours and battle honours in September
2. loss of cap badges
3. cannot wear hackle for example in regular uniforms
4. another 'merger' on the way next year

its not just a little loss - its a total loss
and the press often refer to them as just 1Scots etc.
38

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:11:30
A birdie told me that last month 40 soldiers left one regiment and just 2 joined.

oh yes the Royal regiment is doing just fine - in yer PR heid pal!!
39

Conan the Librarian™,

22/06/2008 17:12:11
37
Are the English Regiments to be known as 1 Eng etc?
I think not.
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:12:29
Kenny,the soldiers[the lions] are trying to keep their identity
It is the boo boo boys[donkeys] who are trying to break it,and may I say for their own enhancement.
The golden thread has gone,the last saga is the burning of the regimental colours and having a singular colour for the five numbers,or what ever you call them.
The thread is now an old bit of darning wool
41

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:14:25
The most important fight is saving the regiments.Wont be able to fight if no sodjers
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:14:34
# 28
my nephew is in the Black Watch. and when i was in Musa Qala, Lashkar Gah and Kandahar earlier this I spoke to dozens of ordinary soldiers. They were quite naturally more interested in talking about the war they were fighting - about politics, morality, army equipment, religion, terrorism, the opium trade, medical facilities and awful food - than about regimental ties. No-one raised it with me once.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:15:24
Conan - if we got rid of the ceremonial (sit on their bums and do nothing at Hyde Park) we could save millions of pounds each year.

Its not aboot cash its aboot strategy and the strategy is to remove the identities and tribalism of those regiments.

Too Scottish for their English Masters!!
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:18:54
Two senior majors,one in the BW,the other in the RHF.
The BW OFFICER goes to command the Hldrs.the RHF officer goes to command the BW.
hOW IS THAT FOR CONSISTENCY
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:20:23
# 30 Nebulous
Salmond is also leader of a party with a number of Westminster MPs. And quite rightly there is nothing to stop him making his views plain on any matter, reserved or not. Alex is a first rate politician, but he seems reluctant for some reason to play a statesman-like role in relation to serving Scottish soldiers, here and abroad. This puzzles me. I honestly don't know why he can't act ex-officio as Scotland's First Minister and go and press the flesh in Germany or Sierra Leone or even somewhere at home.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:20:50
So you made ONE trip and you are an expert.

I think the campaigners who traveled the length and breadth of the country and spoke with many families and serving soldiers are in a better position to comment.

You are obviously not that bothered (Unionist masters after all) about tossing away Scotland's Military Heritage and seeing recruitment go through the floor.

So many people I know would never recommend their sons/daughters/grandsons etc join the RRS and herein lies a big part of the problem.

The Royal Regiment of Scotland has no conenction with the people of Scotland - not like the Black Watch and Royal Scots did for example.

Take that away and you pull out a very important connection that has served the military in Scotland for hundreds of years.
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Conan the Librarian™,

22/06/2008 17:22:38
42
And morale was lowered by a campaign to return their capbadges?
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:23:08
Must have been the canadian BW that you were speaking to.
Jocks have an uncanny nerve when speaking to officers and strangers.
Catch them in the beer bar after they had a couple and then listen to them.
The jocks are the most honest and respectable soldiers out and it hurts to see them treated in this underhand way
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:23:20
Those regiments meant something and if the numpty Regimental Sec and his pals at Edinburgh Castle get their way their will be NOTHING left to identify with.

they have already damaged things enough and seem hell-bent on making things worse.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:25:18
Aye shivago8 - funny how the BW play was littered with references to it.

In case the Edinburgh Elitists are reading this - a message.

You messed up big time and it is on your conscience that the Royal Regiment of Scotland is failing in recruitment and affinity to the people of Scotland.
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:26:13
Give Salmon a chance,he has only been in the chair for a year and I suppose that this year has been spent sorting out the lapsap that the spew labour left.lapsap is a naughty chinese word
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:26:50
#42 - when were you there and what battalion soldiers were you talking to 9i.e. which battallion)?
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Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 22/06/2008 17:26:50
# 10 Major (Retd) Michael Hamilton, KOSB
"Along with but apart from ROAR, we started the campaign of letters in national and local newspapers about low pay, inadequate equipment, shortage of fixed wing and helicopter aircraft, inadequately protected front-line vehicles, and dreadful standards of many barracks and much service housing."
Bravo. Roar are formidable campaigners, so wouldn't it better if they concentrated their energies on these very practical issues (or far more day-to-day relevance to welfare and safety of serving soldiers) than plugging on with a fight that was lost three years ago?
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:29:10
# 52

with 52 Brigade, in April.

Highlanders, mostly, with their Warriors at FOB Edinburgh.

But other soldiers too, Scots and English.
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Nebulous,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:29:18
Well - I can't comment for oor First Minister, but he has a real tightrope act here. It isn't his war, his MP's (including himself) probably unanimously want the troops home and he might not get a universal acceptance from the troops.

However I thought he had shown sympathy for bereaved parents, has suggested that the public should respect the troops regardless of their feelings about the war and has tried to help with healthcare and housing.

Looking at Brown's role - I would say he has been much more hostile, whilst making more of the right noises in public.
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:29:51
Try and cross swords with the regt secretary of the BLOB.
WHAT AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS.
He thinks that everyone except him are loopy.
He has got to be the loopiest thing out.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:31:31
#53

That's the difference Kenny between ROAR and SOS - you are quitters and cannot stick with a conviction.

If something is wrong you fight it - always. Now in case it escaped your short termness - the promise of retention of the Golden Threads is in numerous media articles from the PM to the Chief of Staff etc.

It is the duty of a campaign to ensure that they live up to it. The first duty of the campaign is to do that.

Shame Scotland on Sunday is only interested in sensationalism.
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Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:33:35
So Kenny - how about using your papers power to back the new campaign kicking off this summer with backing from the SNP and Tories (perhaps lib Dems also).

Why not SOS take the politicians and army chiefs to task over their broken promises?
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shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:34:40
That52 BRIGADE thing that you refer to is the new brigade flash.
It has done away with the saltire.
When you see it with a house with battlements on it with the number 52,I immediately said No 52 High St Basra.
ANOTHER GOLDEN THREAD BUST
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Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:34:40
# 46 Reject London

"So many people I know would never recommend their sons/daughters/grandsons etc join the RRS and herein lies a big part of the problem.
The Royal Regiment of Scotland has no conenction with the people of Scotland - not like the Black Watch and Royal Scots did for example."

I could be wrong, but that doesn't sound like a very good contribution to the morale of serving soldiers; or an aid to recruitment; or a comment that shows much repect for the soldiers who are joining the RRS at the moment; or a comment that shows much commitment to the future excellence of Scottish soldiering (still recognised as among the best in the world).


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highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:36:10
My son is a Highlander and he is pretty p'eed off about the way things are going with his battallion Kenny.

They are slowly being turned into drones for the RRS - a lot of the loads are equally unhappy aboot this.
62

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:36:18
# 59

The "battlements" you refer to are because it's headquartered in Edinburgh Castle! That's a wee bit Scottish, I suggest.
63

chico y,

Alba 22/06/2008 17:37:24
Had a look at the SOS website. GERS mentioned 16 times in 2006, 26 times in 2007, 1 time in 2008. Why is that ? Is there something you don't want us to know ?
64

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:39:20
# 55 Nebulous

It's a tough call, but I'd say troops dislike Brown more than Salmond. But they have little time for either.
65

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:39:27
Kenny - I am sorry you chose to take a statement of fact as a personal statement - the difference is that it is how many folk feel and it is what happens when soldiers wishes are ignored.

You may or may not remember the papers that went out to every serving soldier - over 87% said 'no change' - these papers were never released officially and sit gathering dust nr the Forth Road Bridge.

You cannot dictate to people how they should feel/act.

Your comments are very similar to the proponents of the RRS. No great surprise.
66

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:40:13
It has done away with the family regiment,everyone in the BW knew each other all coming from the same regt area.
The regts when you see them now and I have lately are like a can of beans 57 different varieties in language and dress.
CO,s dont know who the hell they have got,what there background is.and a what state are they ready for war.
A recipe for disaster
67

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:40:54
#59 - it looks like lego bricks - what a pile of @P*&^ in comparison to the original

oh and why is it no longer relevant to have the saltire flash Kenny - answer that one?
68

highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:41:33
what's that aboot the saltire flash?
69

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:42:52
#68 - Brig MacKay took it upon himself to kill of the saltire flash saying it was "no longer relevant".

We are still trying to get an answer as to what he meant about that!

It's indicative of the arrogance of those in charge at RRS HQ.
70

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:43:10
# 63
I imagine GERS was mentioned many times in those two years because we were in the run-up to an election, and debating the sustainability or otherwise aof an independent Scotland.

This year's GERS is very encouraging for the Scottish economy in lots of ways.
71

Reject London,

DUNDEE 22/06/2008 17:43:43
Well as much as I would like to stay and chat I have to go.

Kenny it was always - a pleasure.
72

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:44:17
btw, for non-anoraks, GERS is the annual assessment of Scotland's revenue and expenditure.
73

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:44:38
Still resembles 52 the high st basra.
Kenny the jocks dont like Broon fae the ferry,they despise him and especially the BW as he is in there area,no they dont have an area now
74

highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:44:41
Another reason to vote for Alex Salmond - I am sick to death of this nonsense - who the hell do these Surrey Scots think they are anyway!!??????
75

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:46:47
# 67
I'm no expert, but I imagine it's because the 52 Brigade that was assembled for the six-month tour in Helmand contained more than just Scottish soldiers - loads of Household Cavalry, for example.
76

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:47:47
Wonder what you meant by GERS,NEED TAE WATCH Kenny many CELTS aboot.
Whit is yer slang fer that
77

shivago8,

livingston 22/06/2008 17:50:08
Did you see them on the royal mile with the teetotaller harry,not a tam o shanter,glengarry or blue bonnet in sight.
They must been imported from the ither side of Hadrians Dyke
78

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:54:13
# 77
Yes, many of them were English. Surely there's nothing wrong with that?
79

highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 17:56:37
I am always amused (actually no I am not) at how many officers and above are English - what is wrong with promoting Jocks!?
80

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 17:59:32
I'll be signing off in a mo, but I might log on later for a wee while.
As always, if anyone would prefer to make a comment privately rather than in a public forum, they can email me direct on kenny.farquharson@scotlandonsunday.com
Can I recommend an excellent interview with Kenny MacAskill in today's SoS written by my colleague Tom Little, about the demon drink? Now, that glass of red...
81

Kenny Farquharson,

22/06/2008 22:04:25
# 81 Methalions

I've no time for the Salmond "steps over his remit" stories. He's the political leader of Scotland. He can say what he likes, on whatever subject he feels requires a voice for Scotland. And quite right too.
82

Conan the Librarian™,

22/06/2008 22:49:05
82
So we can quote you on that?

Whenever the next anti-SNP spinned story appears on this paper?

83

highlander_mum,

Aberdeen 22/06/2008 23:36:32
Quick - print screen - and cut/paste to Salmond's office (lol)
84

Richardinho,

29/06/2008 22:38:26
Although I'm a card carrying SNP member, I have to admit I really couldn't give a f*ck about the Scottish regiments.

 

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