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Brown raps Chancellor over doom and gloom



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Published Date: 31 August 2008
CHANCELLOR Alistair Darling was slapped down by the Prime Minster last night after declaring that Britain was heading towards an economic slump "more profound and long-lasting" than feared.
Allies of Gordon Brown accused Darling of having made an "arse of it", after the Chancellor declared the economic times were "arguably the worst they've been in 60 years".

It came just days after Brown had declared that he believed the economic depression in Britain would be less severe than thought.

In an unusually candid interview, Darling also admitted that "people are pissed off" with the Labour Government, before declaring that Wendy Alexander, the former Scottish Labour leader, was "not likeable at all".

Darling later spoke to the BBC to deny he had denigrated Alexander. The Chancellor also insisted he had a duty to be straight with people.

However, First Minister Alex Salmond said Darling was guilty of talking the country into a recession, adding that he should "either step up to the plate or go now".

Bemused sources close to Brown said yesterday the Chancellor's interview may cause havoc with the Prime Minister's plans for a recovery package, which will begin this week with a major announcement on boosting the housing market.

"He's made a complete arse of it," said one senior Labour figure. "It doesn't help things when the Chancellor starts saying that the economy is down the tubes, especially when the Prime Minister just so happens to have been looking after it for the last 10 years."

There was also speculation last night that the interview may have put the Glenrothes by-election even further back in the calendar, to late November. In the interview, published in the Guardian, Darling said that the economic times faced by Britain and the rest of the world "are arguably the worst they've been in 60 years".

Emphasising the gloom, he added: "I think it's going to be more profound and long-lasting than people thought."

Darling said the Government had its "work cut out" to persuade the public it deserved another term in power. "This coming 12 months will be the most difficult 12 months the Labour Party has had in a generation, quite frankly," he said. "In 10 months we've gone from doing OK to certainly not doing OK. People are pissed off."

A Downing Street source said: "The Chancellor's words are the Chancellor's words."

On the BBC yesterday, Darling reiterated five times that the grave economic problems he was referring to were global in nature. His aides insisted he had not suggested the British economy was in its worst state for 60 years.

But Salmond said: "Scotland's economy is showing real resilience in what are challenging times, and Mr Darling's ridiculous interview is in danger of dragging everyone down to the Labour Party's own level."


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  • Last Updated: 31 August 2008 12:53 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

Jimmy Le Pie,

30/08/2008 23:55:39
From The Times

More 'prudence' from Comrade Broon??

The government squandered almost £500m by leasing RAF transport aircraft that it could have bought outright for less money.

The Ministry of Defence wanted to buy the four Boeing C17 Globemasters for £520m but was told by Gordon Brown, then the chancellor, to lease them because it would be cheaper.

And he has the cheek to claim his 'was a safe pair of hands'

He should have been a snakeoil salesman!!
2

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

30/08/2008 23:57:42


Another fine mess

Cue the Laurel (Darling) and Hardy (Brown) Theme tune

3

SlyFifer,

Somewhere west of Scotland 31/08/2008 00:17:05
We all know Brown lives in far off La La land and remote from his adoring subjects. Darling on the other hand is definitely in a world of his own. Sad thing is, until we are totally independent of these bumbling incompetents things are only going to get worse. Roll on Independence. Maybe then we can have people with actual experience run our affairs with the hopes and aspriations of the Scottish people firmly in their focus. We will be well rid of these charletons.
4

Richardinho,

31/08/2008 00:28:48
'Darling also admitted that "people are pissed off" with the Labour Government, before declaring that Wendy Alexander, the former Scottish Labour leader, was "not likeable at all".'

no sniggering at the back now!
5

Seannair,

Oban 31/08/2008 00:46:23
The Guardian interview contains specific quotations about Wendy Alexander. Does Darling deny the accuracy of the article?
Apropos the "family croft" comment, Mr Darling's Edinburgh connections are firmly based on Scottish Conservative and Unionist antecedents and within the Guardian item he bridles at accepting ny connection with Socialism. Why does that not surprise us?
6

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31/08/2008 00:49:44
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7

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 31/08/2008 00:59:08
Looks like Alistair is no longer Gordon's Darling.
8

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

31/08/2008 01:25:49

Brown Raps

Driving my car wearing my jewelry
You can fool the public but you can't fool me
Because you made a little album got a royalty check
But your friends don't give you no respect

Spending my money using my style
They wore my crown for a little while
They went all around the world thinking their all that
But when they saw me on the stage I took it right back

Cause I dress like a pimp and I work like a ho
And rappin' is the only life I know
I got respect on the street so wherever I go
And they only get respect when they doin' a show

Cause their young dumb try to get some
In the process forgot where they come from
But what they can't see while their running the game
Is that their friends and enemies are the same

Cause united we stand divided you fall
And I am love and love conquers all
I love to turn on the mic and rock the house
and come on everybody and help me turn it out
9

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2008 01:26:43
Maggie Broon will be "pissed off" that Darling has not only told the truth, for once, but that he said that Maggie's pet, The Mouth of the South is "not likeable at all".

Darling has obviously seen the writing on the wall, but Broon doesn't want anyone admitting it publicly. Broon has also had the rest of his cabinet telling him he has to front up at Glenrothes, even though they know they're going to lose.
10

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2008 01:35:09
#4 Ford Transit.

Darling and family won't be cutting peat. Apart from being too late in the year, his family croft (from his mother's side) is just a holiday home. He won't even have to pay the full council tax on it.

11

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2008 01:36:45
#8 Ford Transit.

My spell checker suggests "kickable".
12

Itchy,

31/08/2008 01:51:29
"CHANCELLOR Alistair Darling was slapped down by the Prime Minster last night after declaring that Britain was heading towards an economic slump "more profound and long-lasting" than feared."

Darling has a thankless task. Brown's bungling has landed in his lap.
13

Willie Macleod,

Wick 31/08/2008 01:53:22
13 Ford Transit Morning Ford I will add the caveat is it you.

If you want peat come to Caithness A lot of it is protected and rightly so.

I have cut peats and planted trees in it. Back in the Eighties.
14

Fanling,

Hong Kong 31/08/2008 01:58:58
Item of curiosity: Darling, English born, speaks with reasonably agreeable Scots tongue.

The deceiver/denier/Middle England ärse-licking British "Scotsman" Brown recently acquires the most cringingly awful English (deliberately dropped R) variant. Discuss, after sickness cleaned up.
15

Willie Macleod,

Wick 31/08/2008 02:24:39
17 Curiosity is it. Well let me take you out of your curiosity. Darling English born yes Scottish Childhood and education yes.

I was born in Inverness but have lived in Wick from a week after my birth.
16

Willie Macleod,

Wick 31/08/2008 02:33:42
#20 I used to read The morning Star Guardian and the Sunday Times
17

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2008 02:41:28
#17 Fanling.

There's nothing curious about it. Maggie Broon had elocution lessons to get rid of his Scottish accent. He obviously thought it would make him more acceptable to middle England. However, the English are not as stupid as he thinks they are.

18

Willie Macleod,

Wick 31/08/2008 03:03:18
#22 Guga And a lot of Scots are not as stupid as you think we are.
19

Col. Blimp­IV*,

31/08/2008 05:28:01
remember Gerald Ratner?

Hailed as a master of the free market when his shops were selling junk - fantastic value @ £4.99 .

Yet vilified when he revealed that some of the stuff he was selling was "5hit".

Sad how our newspapers - demand - such low standards, from our politicians and businessmen.

Clearly there is an agenda here, manipulating us into lowering our expectations of them.

Why do so few see it?
20

Jwil,

31/08/2008 07:10:11
So they may put Glenrothes even further back. This doesn't do much for the people of Glenrothes. An insult I would say.

Why don't the other parties move the by-election?
21

NBJT,

North Berwick 31/08/2008 07:12:20
For goodness sake, how low must lbour go!!!!

GB: time to get that England strip on again before you loose all 'middle Engand'!!!!
22

mike3,

Midlands 31/08/2008 07:22:28
Brown says we are coping well, Darling that we are in the worst fix since WW2! Surprised? They can't even get the message out now.
23

mike3,

Midlands 31/08/2008 07:32:51
or was it a fine example of getting the retaliation in first.
24

Linda,

Edinburgh 31/08/2008 08:11:44
Maggie Broon also calling on Russia to respect Georgia's territorial boundaries so perhaps he will return the 6000 square miles of Scottish north sea Labour and lib Dems transferred passed into English jurisdiction in 1999.
25

tommy M,

31/08/2008 08:12:43
Brown and Darling brought us into this financial mess. The sooner we get total independence from that bunch of corrupt, useless incompetents the better.

Vote SNP. It's time.
26

MacGillicuddy,

31/08/2008 08:34:11
#19
That means you'll NEVER be a Wicker then!
27

MacGillicuddy,

31/08/2008 08:36:00
" The Chancellor also insisted he had a duty to be straight with people. "

Now THAT really would be a first for ANYONE in the Liebour Party!
28

donald,

glasgow 31/08/2008 08:43:29
Don't we just love revolutionary student careerists when they grow up?
29

the reporter,

Godalming, Surrey. 31/08/2008 08:48:33
Gerald Ratner in an unwise speech ,said that some of the jewlerey that his shops sold, "quite frankly was c*** "In the resulting furore, he was forced to resign from the company, any possibility oh my Darling might be doing the same ? If the interview took place over a two day period, then presumabley the reporter took notes or recorded Darling ones words ? either he was referring to the UK or the global economey and was he ,or was he not very nice about poor old Wendy ? perhaps an interview with the reporter to clear things up ?
30

Destroy the Planet,

31/08/2008 08:48:54
Trams
31

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 31/08/2008 09:12:39
Clearly I don't know if the downturn will be awful or merely bad, but I suspect Brown and Darling don't either, and they can't both be right.

Labour are an appalling party just now, and whilst lead by the completely incompetent Brown, it's difficult to see them leading the country out of the financial mess, considering especially it's Brown chancellor stewardship which is responsible for the countries poor finances.
32

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 31/08/2008 09:15:19
The best article I have read today, concerns Darling and his interview which Gordon Brown ordered him to do.

And guess who Brown arranged for the interview. Yes Brian Taylor, Mr Unionista himself of the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Anyway have a read at the article in the mail, that is a direct text of what was said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050913/Cabinet-rift-widens-Darling-rages-Browns-40bn-State-mortgage-plan.html

Pretty weird stuff indeed. It appears that Brown has flipped his lid completely this time.

Between Brown and the Scotsmen/women who are Unionistas, its very scary times indeed.
33

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 31/08/2008 09:25:42
I never thought I'd feel sorry for Darling but it's obvious he's found that Broon has left behind a set of books so cooked as to be barely legible. Now the music has stopped and he's left holding a very explosive parcel. And I suspect even that ultimate snake-oil salesman Bliar wasn't aware of the true horror. Broon was so secretive as Chancellor that he probably didn't even tell him the full story. And to think that so many believed for so long he was competent.
34

Phil C,

31/08/2008 09:26:28
Darling's frank admission to his fears for the economy are in sharp contrast to the usual Labour smoke screen stuff, and quite refreshing really. But I got the impression, that far from being honest, he was trying to shift the blame- "It wisnae me, it was the big boys, credit crunch, oil & gas prices etc."

The blame lies fairly and squarely with the Broon Buffoon and Labour's oft repeated trick of ballsing everything up!

These numpties must go now! Let the Tories rule the English world, and the SNP up here. Let's get ready for a smooth transition to self-respect and independence, and a Labour-free rosy future for everyone. Oh how I wish that Scotland would grow up. Nearly 1 in 3 still admit to voting Labour!! Is there really any hope for us with so many folk like that around?
35

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/08/2008 09:28:05
And this lot expect our votes at the next General Election??!! :-O

They need wiping out! (Electorally, of course!)
36

Mike Masterton,

31/08/2008 09:31:40
I think most of the country have forgotten that Darling is the same bafoon that gave white van drivers a million pound grant to teach them to drive properly when he was transport minister.
Broon & Darling really are the modern day Laurel & Hardy only not half as funny or are they !
37

The Spook in Leith,

31/08/2008 09:33:13
In times like this the Chancellor should be telling the public what measures he is going to put in place to help offset the credit crises.

Even though the SNP has diddly powers when it comes to the economy of Scotland they have still pit in some countermeasures to help the hard press public.

Labour are partly to blame for this latest crisis and have borrowed borrowed borrowed and spent spent spent and saved nothing for a rainy day.

They spent billions of out tax payers money on a little bank and that money would have been better used to help secure the most vulnerable families but that's labour for you.
38

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/08/2008 09:34:25
#24 is that 'cause he only works 9-5? Or looks like Dolly Parton (he's nothing like Sheena Easton!!)
39

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/08/2008 09:38:18
Actually some would say both Darling & Broon look like Dolly Parton as they are a couple of T*TS!!! ;-)
40

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2008 09:39:05
#32 MacGillicuddy.

Given Willie MacLeod's belief in the union, and everything that Maggie Broon says and does, I think he would make an excellent Wickerman.
41

morris,

edinburgh 31/08/2008 09:40:34
Presumably we would find the prospect of leaving these two running the countries finances a bit more reassuring if their own party was anywhere near being solvent!

They cannot run their own internal affairs either !

Who but a madman would seriously consider letting these two continue in office.Its bad enough that we elected them in the first place.

I will acknowledge however that at least Darling showed a degree of honesty in admitting that
THINGS CAN ONLY GET WETTER!

If its a "Global problem" Gordon, why are you denying it will happen when clearly its not your fault?

Happen it will and we all know it.
I suspect what Gordon means is they know its coming and they can do sod all to ease the burden since they have screwed up royally and the only thing in the kitty is cat food.
42

morris,

edinburgh 31/08/2008 09:41:22
45 That would be a swing to the right presumably?
43

yockel,

31/08/2008 09:42:43
Darling should move his desk further away from that sunbed.
44

The Spook in Leith,

31/08/2008 09:43:19
#45

lmao hee hee..
45

Mike555,

31/08/2008 10:04:17
Brown was the man who sold off the UK gold reserves for a pittance, ruined the private pensions of millions of hard working people, was the architect behind the 10p tax bombshell and frittered away the bountiful bonanza of Scotland's oil and gas for a decade when world trade was booming.

He does not give a thought for you and me, blames everyone bar himself for the huge problems now facing the country and it just shows how cowardly the other senior cabinet members are when they continue supporting an absolute to$$er who is after all, their UNELECTED leader.

As for Darling, he sees the writing on the wall and is only the second who has come out trying to tell the truth and he and Milliband should get the rest of these Numties in cabinet behind them and rid us of Brown once and for all.

What a blessing all this is to Salmond in Scotland and of course toffee nosed Cameron in England.

Finally I think it's a disgrace that the people of Glenrothes may now have to wait till November to show their absolute displeasure at the totally disfuncional Liebor party.
46

JimC,

Kilmarnock 31/08/2008 10:17:39
Darling tells it like it is and Brown tries to paint a different story, I did wonder some time back where the Iraq Information Minister disappeared to....now I know. There is no credit crunch; it is all an illusion, all will be clear in time with the new measures we are bringing forward

G. Brown
Information Minister.
47

The Strategist,

31/08/2008 10:28:57
Darling perhaps now realises that cuddling up to the banks was a major strategic error. Too late I'm afraid. The financial services sector now dictates industrial policy.
48

FLUB,

a rcoky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 31/08/2008 10:30:55
They're coming to take them away, ha ha, hee hee...

Well hurry up FFS!
49

danielrober,

31/08/2008 10:35:18
I think this ression is been over played.

Some ideas coming out of goverment such as councils buying homes or part of homes should help with REAL families that are in trouble. These guys need real help, not panic time.

Most of the people in trouble i meet are actually buy-to let business people. They just don't consider themselves to be a part of the business sector. But if you have 5 properties and you are living of rent, your a 'landlord' business person, even if your a retiree. These guys can solve their problems by either selling a few propeties or even by with drawing from the business. No need for the rest of the economy to blow up.

After all just because ZOOM has gone out of buinsess i don't see Air France throwing the towel in.
50

Pilrig.,

Livingston 31/08/2008 11:01:54
Taxi for Darling !!
New glove-puppet ordered for No 11 !

51

Pilrig.,

Livingston 31/08/2008 11:04:38
55 - Darling is guilty of being too truthful.
I work in the building industry, and it is a fact that things are slowing doon. A few guys I work alongside have been recieving "may be payoffs coming up" letters from their employers.
52

Pilrig.,

Livingston 31/08/2008 11:11:21
19 bl**dy incomer ! : )
53

shivago8,

livingston 31/08/2008 11:21:39
Broon telling Darling,you are not supposed to say that.

Why are you not telling lies.You were taught that when you got your political degree
54

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow. 31/08/2008 11:33:39
We must get rid of this Labour Government.
Last week on BBC Scotland news we were given a real insight to the huge waste of taxpayers money with our forces presence in Afghanistan not to mention Iraq and the £billions to be spent on trident. This money should be used to alleviate the present economic situation but Labour will not listen.
55

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 11:41:27
I thought that the last Scottish by election had to be rushed through in three weeks because "constituents deserved to have a candidate in parliament as quickly as possible". So these constituents don't matter to Labour as much as the last lot then? I hope they are all watching and get the message.
56

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 31/08/2008 11:58:48
#38 A Better Way

I saw the interview in question with Darling repeating the same message 5 times about external factors, credit crunch, it's my responsibility as chancellor to inform people and then help them get through this crisis, etc. You can see the meddling hand of Broon in this. Darling was right first time of course in his assessment of both the economy and how voters think of Labour and good old Wendy (remember her?).

If the Daily Mail prediction of Gordon trying to re-start the houseing market is even some way correct, he really has lost it. Even more public money thrown at the problem and easy money was what caused it all in the first place.

Never any mention of cost reduction, or abandoning lunatic plans like ID cards, or with all due respect to our armed forces, cutting our losses and stop kidding ourselves we can run two wars concurrently as a bankrupt nation. No attempt to rein in greedy energy companies like the French did. No help for beleaguered industry and transport by cutting the hideous amount of tax to spent as above and on many other useless and failed projects. No mention of cutting the vastly over-inflated public sector expense.

In other words all the hard decisions are bottled by Broon and will have to be done later by the Conservatives. Meanwhile he seems to be falling back on what he "knows" works - tax and spend liberally on failing ideas.
57

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/08/2008 12:07:52
Not to mention the White Elephant known as LONDON2012.
58

James.com,

31/08/2008 12:22:40
It has been suggested that Darlings replacement will be Balls ; says it all really!
59

Budgie,

Renfrew 31/08/2008 12:42:19
I wonder how long it will be before Gordon punishes Alister or his prescience?
60

lulach mac gille coemgain,

31/08/2008 12:53:34
No tae worry it’s no long now ’til Scotland will be rid o this petty bickering - we’re in a new age of revisionist politics - we don’t need archaic grey men in auld stone halls - we now have youth and the INTERNET !
61

Col. Blimp­IV*,

31/08/2008 13:16:32
More gloom and doom for Broon from the US...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c
62

allan58,

edinburgh 31/08/2008 13:37:01
It gets better than that #1!
Not only has the MOD now BOUGHT the aircraft outright but, it has ordered another 3!! Clearly buying 7 of these transports was cheaper than a long term rip-off lease deal!
Still, since when did value for money count? How much did it cost for the government to bribe its way out of the 10p tax band fiasco?
How is GB going to bribe his way out of the so-called "credit crunch"? By giving £150 to people with families to help with their fuel bills. I am single but, I have no family. I still have to pay bills. Will I get any help? Well, maybe if I was a work shy layabout with 16 children by 10 different mothers! Unfortunately, I have no chance - I am automatically excluded for the crime of being an honest hard working individual.

Instead, I am lectured on "pay restraint" by greedy politicians on 6 figure salaries & tens of thousands of £s expenses. There is money to buy aircraft carriers & nuclear missiles but none to give me a pay rise of more than 4% spread over 3 years!!

New Labour is dead - the only problem is, it just doesn't know it. It horrifies me to think that the only likely replacement is a Conservative party that is every bit a bad as the one that was booted out of office in 1997!
63

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 31/08/2008 13:45:50
Both of these political impostors are masqueraders and have been VERY CLOSE pals since before 1997 and both are DIRECTLY responsible for the grim state the dis-united UK now finds itself experiencing.
The chronicle of Brown's past inofficious career has been one of perrenial doom and gloom until quite recently when he suddenly cultivated his now famous stupid and sham mocking grin after succeeding the war criminal Blair.
If the real truth could only be revealed about the sleazy, lying, corrupt New Labout Party which was being planned before its eventual birth, it is certain, that from the north of Scotland to the south of England we would have a repeat of the destruction off Thatchers dreadful reign as Prime Minister.
64

It's life but not as we know it,

The Ooort Clouds 31/08/2008 14:33:31
And where is our unelected cretin of a prime minister (or, sorry - "elected by popular acclaim" - as Jack Straw put it this morning)?

Hiding as usual - like he used to do when he was chancellor. The only balls he has is Ed, that hardly adds up to much.
65

David55,

London 31/08/2008 14:49:01
#61 -"I thought that the last Scottish by election had to be rushed through in three weeks because "constituents deserved to have a candidate in parliament as quickly as possible". So these constituents don't matter to Labour as much as the last lot then? I hope they are all watching and get the message."

Well said. How come it takes months to organise a by-election in Glenrothes?

Labour are a completely discredited government. They have no integrity left.
66

David55,

London 31/08/2008 14:52:52
#68 - "New Labour is dead - the only problem is, it just doesn't know it. It horrifies me to think that the only likely replacement is a Conservative party that is every bit a bad as the one that was booted out of office in 1997!"

I agree. The Tories are no better and will no doubt persevere with daft policies that will cost a fortune, such as ID cards and the war in Iraq.

I refuse to vote for either of these parties, so i'm left with the SNP and Lib-dems.
67

St. George,

England. 31/08/2008 14:57:37
66. it’s no long now ’til Scotland will be rid o this petty bickering.

You have got to be joking. Petty bickering seems to be Scotland's national sport. I don't think you lot will ever agree about anything.
68

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 15:13:32
#72 agree with lots you say but wanted to point out that the Tories are committed to scrapping the ID cards and 42 day incarceration without trial.
69

David55,

London 31/08/2008 15:20:59
#74 - Thanks for the info. From recollection I didn't the Tories were opposed to ID cards when they were first proposed. However, I just did a bit of searching and found that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are against the scheme and both say they would scrap it if they win power.
70

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 31/08/2008 15:23:14
#73 NO IT's NOT!!!!

;-)
71

jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 31/08/2008 15:33:48
#68 #72 I think we have a very different Tory party from 1997 and if, as I hope, elected to Westminster they will be a lot better at running things than the present labour rubbish. I also hope that David Cameron will realise that Scotland wants far more than the present devolution system gives us and will transfer more powers including tax raising powers to the Scottish Parliament.
72

westview,

Enjoying being on the slippery slope to freedom. 31/08/2008 15:43:08
It looks like the New Labour party ,having all but destroyed the old Labour party ,is now trying to throw the next election. Perhaps its true ,that New Labour has been penetrated by and is in the control of, the Tories. In this case anyone working for Labour in Glenrothes ,had better avoid supporting socialism.
73

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 15:54:55
#78 Since when has Nu Labour had ANYTHING to do with socialism?
74

Fanling,

Hong Kong 31/08/2008 16:02:37
#34 donald,glasgow
"Don't we just love revolutionary student careerists when they grow up?"

LOL! Exactly. In my student days I had the misfortune to fall foul of two such misanthropes (redder than pillar-boxes, the pair of them). Just to present an argument different from theirs was to invite a torrent of irrational abuse. There must have been something bitter in the water when they were born.
75

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 31/08/2008 16:33:12
The impending disaster about to hit the dis-united UK; so the black eyebrowed Darling keeps on about is totally diferent from the Natural disaster at presesnt raging in the Carribean sea area.
The disaster him and his sleazy New Labour Party have the audacity to inform the UK about; is man made, and they are an integral part of the looming disaster, which will not affect their wealthy frienda and supporters but will, the less well off
76

Alan B,

31/08/2008 16:39:06
Atleast Darling was honest. He has been given the poison challice after Brown made a mess of the economy. Most ministers atleast get the freedom to blame their predecessor for a while.

Think there are probably manouvrings behind the seen. Brown has thought he could use and drop Darling like a pawn for Browns own advantage. Darling seems willing to take Brown down with him.

Brown really has to go now. It is getting embarrassing.
77

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 16:55:01
#82 Agree it really is "embarrassing". Labour is no longer just dead, it's gone rotten and disolved into the soil. But please, please please keep Gordon's crentinous unelected zombie-like corpse going until the last legal date for a general election so that he will take Nu Labour into utter oblivion forever.
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EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 17:08:49
Gordon Brown is the very person who should be slapped himself for suggesting that we should have a Team GB football team, but here's a thought.

I'm not a Old Firm fan (I actually support Hibs), but I wonder how many readers believe that the New Labour Government that is led by Gordon Brown paid Celtic to lie down to Rangers today at Parkhead.

the very reason why I ask that is because we all know that Rangers fans traditionally carry the Union Jack and sing "God Save The Queen" at matches which means that these are the very people who would most likely support a Team GB football team.

Therefore, a win for Rangers today would therefore be seen as a victory for Gordon Brown in terms of his campaign for a Team GB football team, and that is why Gordon Brown and his Government would be more than happy to pay Celtic a substantial sum to throw today's game and see that his objectives are met.

I may well be barred from the Scotsman forums for sending this comment but if this happens, it will be due to the pro-Unionist biasness of the media and I will still be rpoud of what I'm saying here.
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John Sutherland,

EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 17:15:41
I have further evidence in my last comment that that this might might be the case because George Reid (who is a former Home Secretary and a staunch supporter of New Labour) is currently on the Celtic Board and would have have happily come to such an agreement with his former colleagues.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 17:33:16
#84/85 I know little about football but the best argument against conspiracy theories is simply that government is too incompetent to organise and keep secrets; it would all leak out.
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James.com,

31/08/2008 17:42:56
SNP for Scotland,Tories for England. Both will be better than this lot,but interesting political experiment to see which works best for their respective economies.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 31/08/2008 18:10:31
#89 So you'd be one of those claiming credit - like the unelected cretin Gordon Brown - for ten years' growth but now it's all gone down the pan it's suddenly all "GLOBAL" and not your fault at all. Give me a break. Your lot have shafted the whole economy - thanks a million.
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31/08/2008 18:35:05
# 57 Pilrig.,Livingston

I hope you and your mates get through this time. The construction sector has huge scope for work, after this refinance session.
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John Sutherland,

EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 19:09:25
I think that I forgot to add the the argument of why Dr. John Rekd (who I mistakenly referred to as George Reid) would want to join the Celtic Board which is because Celtic fans are traditionally renowned for flying Irish Tricolours and chanting pro-IRA slogans. Because of that, Dr. John Reid knew that these would be the least likely set of fans to want an all-British team in the Olympics. This in turn would put him in the most powerful position possible in terms of agreeing with his former Westminster colleagues over the issue because as a memeber of that very board, he would then be able to put HIS case for an all UK team from the least likely unlikely source,

To add a further argument, Celtic don't normally lose as many goals at Parkhead as they did today against Rangers even when they are playing against the best teams in Europe, and that in turn can only add to the arguement that I was making.

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whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

31/08/2008 19:45:10
Did Darling make these comments during the now legendary second bottle of wine incident perhaps lol
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whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

31/08/2008 19:52:31


Bring them on wrote

"Gordon Clown- the Shena Easton of politics"

Lets be honest "Nine to five" you like it dont you , yet you know you shouldnt , guilty little pleasure : )
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whomthegodswishtodestroytheyfirstmakemad,

31/08/2008 20:02:28
People , nobody is saying there isnt Global forces at work here.

The main charge against him ( and there are many) is that any really Prudent Government would have money set aside for a rainy day and in this regard Broon and Labour have failed miserably. He is incompetent and the myth that he is the best chancellor in years is finally exposed.
Iron chancellor ? More like the Robert Maxwell chancellor !
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John Sutherland,

EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 20:11:14
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Thanks, but I am NOT making an ass of myself.

I am merely stating a point of view which I am entitled to do.

There are other people who will do likewise, who I will feel that are making an ass of themselves (as you say). However, I will Not react to that in the manner in which you are reacting because at the end of the day, EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion whether you like it or not.

That means that whilst I might hate something which someone is saying and don't agree with it, I AM AT LEAST good enough to recognise that what this person is saying is THEIR OWN opinion and am therefore, happy to listen to that (even if I don't agree with it).

Therefore, I suggest that you do exactly the same thing.
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David55,

London 31/08/2008 21:16:32
#100 Either way, short of a miracle, Labour are going to get a monumental kicking at the next general election.
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EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 21:17:19
#99

You're entitled to your opinion and I thank you for making that.

I agree that there are people who DO make an ass of themselves on these forums, but they are at the end of the day only expressing their views and are entitled to do so.

I would love to to be able to help you with your problem, but I would be grateful if you could at least tell me why you believe that I am making an ass of myself, and what you feel that I could do to change that.

At the end of the day, I am someone who believes in Scottish Independence and I feel that it would be extremely sad if whatever you feel I am doing to make an ass of myself was getting in the way of you agreeing with something here, which I agreed with as regards to other issues such as Scottish Separatism.

I am a person who would much rather talk about things than fall out over them and so, your co-operation in this matter would be gratefully appreciated,

After all if Ian Paislay is able to make up with someone like Gerry Adams, there is no reason why you can't make up with me.
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John Sutherland,

EDINBURGH 31/08/2008 21:53:36
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You are entitled to your own views.

I am a person who doesn't believe in Gordon Brown's plans for a UK united team, but I still feel that today's Old Firm reault was a means of promoting New Labour's campaign for a tem UK football team. Therefore, I have no option but to to say that those comments which I made which you thought were making an ass of myself) are still just as valid as they were when I first made them.

I'm sorry that you didn't like those views and thought that I was making an ass of myself, but they ARE my views and I am continue to stand by that. I therefore hope that you will accept that this is my point of view anyway, even if you don't agree with that, and that this will NOT cause you and I to have a total fall-out in the future over any further given issues.




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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

Glasgow 01/09/2008 17:57:41
I think Mr Darling and Mr Brown could stand a slight chance of regaining some lost ground if they came clean on the injustices Westminster has inflicted upon the Scottish People, and overturned unjust and un democratic decisions they have forced upon us, just because we discovered oil - www.oilofscotland.org has a big list of what they need to do.
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02/09/2008 16:23:09
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What difference does it make if the Prime Minister or Mr Darling has had elocution or not, the important thing is that they speak English clearly, the rest is unimportant when it comes to accents.

 

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