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Crowded inmates seek thousands in damages



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Published Date: 05 October 2008
PRISONERS are suing the Scottish Government for thousands of pounds after being forced to live three to a cell.
In a move which has been privately welcomed by jail bosses and prison unions, a leading lawyer will seek compensation for prisoners who have had to "triple up", claiming the practice is degrading.

Some senior insiders at the Scottish Prison Servi
ce (SPS) and the Scottish Prison Officers' Association (SPOA) are privately sympathetic to the legal case because they believe it will increase pressure on ministers to solve the overcrowding crisis.

The lawyer involved, Tony Kelly, was last night jokingly referred to by one prison service boss as "the best friend of the Scottish Prison Service".

Previously, Kelly scored a massive legal victory by forcing most prisons to end "slopping out" on the basis it breached human rights. That case forced ministers to make payments of thousands of pounds to affected prisoners but also increased funding to jails to help deal with the underlying problem.

Kelly told Scotland on Sunday: "It is sad that is has come to this. I take no pleasure in running off to court. This is a measure of how far we have come, that prison numbers rise and rise and we end up with legal action."

Kelly said overcrowding in jails is now so bad it amounts to a clear breach of the Government's legal obligations to prisoners that they should not be held in inhumane or degrading conditions. He said: "The legal basis for action is crystal clear."

Although the case is about three to a cell, Kelly believed inmates forced to "double up" for long periods would also have grounds to sue.

SPS chief executive Mike Ewart last week told MSPs his prisons were so overcrowded he was looking at emergency plans to make some inmates sleep on mattresses in gyms.

He also revealed he may be forced to ask ministers to authorise an emergency release of prisoners in the event of a serious problem at a jail, such as a fire or flood, because there is simply no spare capacity in the system.

There were 8,080 inmates in Scottish jails on Friday. That is about 2,000 more than the prisons were built to take and just 46 short of an absolute safe limit set by prison authorities.

No prisoners were believed to be tripled up over this weekend.

An SPOA source told Scotland on Sunday he hoped the threat of legal action would prompt ministers to act to stop "tripling up", although he admitted this was "an ironic thing for me".

Inmates winning compensation is a frequent source of irritation to many prison officers but the source added: "Overcrowding makes our job a lot more difficult and much more dangerous."

The SNP has increased capital spending on prisons to £120m this year. A new prison, Addiewell in West Lothian, should be operating by spring. Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill says sentencing reforms must bring down numbers.





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  • Last Updated: 04 October 2008 7:10 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

truthsleuth,

05/10/2008 00:18:44
Had they not committed the Crime they would not be doing the time.

Pensioners, patients and then prisoners.
2

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 05/10/2008 00:51:18
I wonder how many of these hard-done-by prisoners would be living in squats!
3

drunken proffet,

Tassy 05/10/2008 00:51:43
Youth hostels cram four into a room. Why not call them HM Custodial Youth Hostels, open to all ages.
4

2Right,

On Location 05/10/2008 03:19:13
Need Money

Get yourself locked up eh ?

See some more serious issues here:

http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/forum1.php

And Comment
5

Lanna,

05/10/2008 05:59:35
hmmm, and after this political statement is made, privately welcomed or no, let any and all procedes, be sent immediately to their victims.
6

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 05/10/2008 06:00:31
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
These scumbags who have in a lot of cases, ruined other peoples lives and get locked up at our expense now want compensation for two or three to a cell!!!!
The offshore industry have been doing this for years.
Prison is supposed to be a punishment, not a paid holiday.
7

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 05/10/2008 08:20:08
I agree that everyone in a prison is a volunteer and so can't blame others. However, if we expect prison to aid reform then better conditions make sense. Now that house sales have halted, why not use all the unemployed builders to create new local jails?
8

JT,

05/10/2008 08:40:00
Why is it, that in this country prisoners are given more rights than their victims??? Tough S*** for them, as #1 said had they not committed the crime, they wouldnt be doing the time. Its about time that we had prisons that punished them not gave them the right to compensation as things were a little crowded or they had to pee in a bucket, its not supposed to be a hotel!
9

Scythia,

Alba 05/10/2008 10:27:49
I'm sure these unfortunate souls have the warm-hearted support of all decent people in this country over such flagrant injustices inflicted on them by society. It might even be a "human rights" violation, God forbid (ambulance chasing lawyers take note $$).


10

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 10:58:33
If any of these prisoners are successful in their attempted litigation, I would urge the victims of their crimes to pursue litigation against them for the harm and distress they have caused.

If this does not occur, any money they receive should be returned to the taxpayer who has had to bear the cost of the police investigation and legal costs of their trials.
11

It's me!,

05/10/2008 12:24:40
Pass a law by which any compensation gained by prisoners is automatically passed to the victims of their crimes.
12

Jay Kay,

05/10/2008 13:08:39
I whole heartedly agree with all the posts here apart from Cunthia at #9 unless this is sarcasm at its finest.

If you dont want to be banged up three to a cell and forced to squat in a bucket then dont get into crime pretty simple really and yes oh yes every single penny won in any claim should then be given back to society to pay for the damages to victims, these scumbags get nil, zero, nada, NOTHING, if what they deserve, well that and adamn good thrashing with the Cat of nine, sex offenders should be regularly subject to the same degredation to that which fits their crime, not pampered by some softie liberalist social workers, aww poor we lambs you had a hard life, probably shouldnt have raped that poor innocent then eh,

Tough sh*t let these b*stards rot ten to a cell.
13

IainA,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 13:39:11
Overcrowded gaols mean violent gaols, drug infested gaols, gaols where vulnerable inmates (they're not all banged up because they're psychopathic robbers,rapists and murderers, some are just daft laddies( and lassies) who've made silly mistakes, serial shoplifters for example who steal to fund their habit but couldn't say boo to a goose otherwise - or people on remand, who may even be innocent! )are at risk of bullying, intimidation and beatings.

Prison isn't supposed to be a holiday, true, but it's not supposed to be somewhere where you're at risk of violence every day - Officers and inmates alike and that's what overcrowding does.

Every resource is stretched to the limit, the pressure of being constantly with other inmates turns the place into a pressure cooker, there are too many people and not enough officers to watch them as closely as they should be watched.

Basically it's a recipe for disaster.

Looking to reduce overcrowding in prisons isn't an issue of morality or liberalism, it's an issue of maintaining good order in the prison and should be seen as such.
14

Duke,

05/10/2008 16:07:06
Well lets hope Tony Kelly is doing this out the goodness of his heart and will NOT be claiming excessive fees from the Legal Aid fund.
15

Scotish Exile,

05/10/2008 17:45:40
Thieving, junkie b*st*rds should not get a penny, their human rights went out the window when they committed each of their crimes, rot in hell scum
16

Media 1,

cape town 05/10/2008 19:25:07
It appears that lawyers looking for a quick buck are using the human rights bill to their advantage in order to make a wad of cash regardless that their clients are useless good for nothing scum..

Bottom line is that prisoners have far more rights than the average man in the street.

Prisoners need to be housed in tents within boot camp type prisons. No television, no radio, no newspapers, no studies, no visitation rights, no pool tables, no table tennis and no sport.

We need a system that sees them waking up in their tents, cleaning their tents, cleaning their own clothes and then working all day for 8 hours.

One lunch break consisting of a glass of water and a slice of bread and a fruit.

Dinner a hearty meal and a glass of water! Then half an hour reading time and lights out!!

I promise you, when they eventually get out they WILL NEVER come back...Not EVER!
17

Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 05/10/2008 20:41:26
These are the scumbags who deprived their innocent victims of their basic human rights. These people forfeited their rights as members of a law abiding society when they made an attack on the freedoms of their fellow citizens. If this democratic state(Scotland) gives in to this type of political correctness,then we have absolutely no right to call ourselves a democracy.
18

techpunk,

05/10/2008 20:43:22
build bigger prisons....and further away from normal society...i for one would be more than happy to put a penny or two on my tax bill to facilitate this.

longer sentences, and no "soft approach", particularly for the A-Holes who milk the system , and are still "free" to continue to do do.

gadgies off the streets!
19

sangriaboy,

malaga 05/10/2008 22:29:53
I say put 10 in a cell...
it might stop them going back in there again.
as for compensation-your having a laugh.
in the outside world you cant get a overcrowed, comfy room for free...
20

Arrow,

edinburgh 05/10/2008 22:44:14
can't we do like the Chinese and harvest some of the the organs anfter all they have two of each. a leg here, a foot there, the odd eye/lung/kidney. the ones with the nice tatoos could be useful if there was a market in exotic belts.
hang one in 10 and that should makecsome room and it might even dissuade possible replacements!!!
21

Annoyedingeneral,

Falkirk 05/10/2008 22:59:14
Against their human rights??? No chance! They are prisoners and as such are they not in prison to be punished? I fail to understand a society that treats these mostly useless, selfish sc*mbags like they are better than those outside!! More to a cell I say and worse meals, treatment etc!
22

Matt there,

Somewhere 06/10/2008 01:05:07
Stop breaking the law.

Easy, isn't it?
23

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

Arvada, Colorado, USA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Re/Niddrie 06/10/2008 01:27:26
One way to stop overcrowding in Scottish jails is to bring back the death penalty and execute all the killers,drug kinpins, rapists,and the rest of the booger eating morons and your jails will be empty, as it is now the criminal element is running your country, come on Scotland show that you have the cohons to eradicate these low lifes and make your country a nice place to visit again, and for Gods sake STOP YOUR WHINING,,,,,,,,, thank you Jock/H.

24

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 06/10/2008 03:44:29
#20 Arrow, Edinburgh.Behind the time on the organ harvesting story squire, but you nearly made a valid point. Why don't they treat criminals like they do in China? They are treated as they should be.Prison is punishment and isn't that what it originally was for before the PC,hanky-wringing,fuzzy and warm PhD psycho-babble wastes of space interfered with the system? Not just once, but so many times that the system has been reversed. Get the manpower at present only 3 to a cell out of those cells and work their asses off in building new prisons.Ones that are not holiday resorts. Re-habilitation should be after release or at the very end of a sentence. Soldiers get a 6weeks pre release course before going back into civi street.These wastes of space never left it and are treated like celebrities. Time for change.

 

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