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Burns talks up new era of Old Firm rivalry after Smith stops the rot at Ibrox



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Published Date: 10 June 2007
TOMMY Burns went head-to-head with Walter Smith for three seasons in the 1990s as the latter's expensively-constructed Rangers sides equalled Celtic's record of nine successive championships.
It was a financial and footballing mismatch as David Murray allowed Rangers to slide deeper and deeper into the red by plundering players from the Premiership and Serie A.

Now, though, Celtic have the upper hand when it comes to bidding for playe
rs. Rangers' recent bid of £450,000 for Steven Naismith was derided by Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston, while the champions have succeeded in signing Kenny Miller, Paul Hartley, Scott McDonald and Scott Brown in spite of competing interest from across the city.

Burns could be excused for wallowing in schadenfreude, but instead he claims, rather oddly, that Celtic do not currently enjoy an economic advantage over their main rivals. "I think with Scott [Brown], Celtic offered more money than Rangers wanted to pay," he said. "I imagine they have a certain budget, and that might have taken all of it or the majority of it.

"There are also other factors involved. With Paul Hartley, his ambition was always to play for Celtic, so I don't think Rangers missed out because of the financial aspect there. It was a case of someone wanting to play for the team they'd always supported, and the same goes for Scott McDonald.

"There will be times in the future, I'm sure, when Celtic will miss out on a player because he'd rather play for Rangers.

"It can't be looked on as us pooh-poohing them or trying to steal their thunder. According to the club's accounts, in the first six months of the last financial year we made a profit of £18m. Obviously, the run in Europe helped and it puts us in a healthy position. Rangers are being a bit more prudent, and that's entirely their prerogative. It's not so long ago that they were being castigated for having spent so much money without having got to the levels they wanted to reach, so there are different ways of looking at it."

All of which ignores the facts that Rangers had agreed a fee with Hearts for Hartley until Celtic arrived with an improved offer, and that McDonald was "gutted" when Motherwell rejected a £400,000 bid from Rangers in January before accepting £750,000 for the striker from Celtic two months later. Or that Brown used to attend matches at Ibrox.

However, Burns has no doubts that Smith will give Gordon Strachan a better run for his money than Alex McLeish or Paul Le Guen did. "I think Walter has already stopped the rot. They'll look at the recent Old Firm results [Smith won both meetings with Strachan's team] and take a boost from that. And although they lost their last two matches, when there was something still to play for, they were well organised and difficult to beat, and they grew in confidence.

"I think they'll be looking forward to the new season because they gained a lot of plaudits under Walter, and their new signings will enhance their squad."



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1

Fayneant,

NZ 09/06/2007 23:52:05

A quiet word before the daily OF fan bun fight starts and the air is thick with 'tw@t', 'bawbag', 'nazi' and 'fenian' references.....
Why can't we all be friends....?

2

KingOfTheApes,

Wishaw 10/06/2007 00:20:03

In a word Ewan attempts to "SPIN" some quotes from Tommy Burns into a FANFARE for Walter Smith stopping some rot .... allegedly ....

I seem to remember "them" losing 2 game in a row whilst Celtic picked up 2 "TROPHIES" in a row ....

Hey, have We ALREADY got the League sown up or what .... <- Note no question mark ....

Kind regards,
Jim ....

3

John McVey,

Thai 10/06/2007 04:51:01

As a Celtic supporter my only comment is "who cares"!

The quicker Celtic join the EPL the better.

4

GoldCoast Hibee,

oz 10/06/2007 05:23:00

Please ,please fork off.English or Irish(who,ll ever take you).

5

GoldCoast Hibee,

oz 10/06/2007 05:24:04

Not so we can win,so scottish football can win.

6

Rabbie Burns,

Down South 10/06/2007 08:28:19

I think both halves of the Old Firm should remember the diastrous big money signings they have made over the years. I needn't start the list, though I am sure someone else will. I do think that Brown is overpriced at £4.4m for someone who is not even an experienced internationalist. What about Rangers exciting new Scots - MacGregor, Hutton, Smith, Burke, Boyd, Adam, plus their signings Thomson and Gow. And Celtic have new Scottish talent too. The big money days are gone. Celtic's signings last season were an embarassment - Gravesen and Jarosik to name but 2. Lets groom the young Scots in both halves of the Old Firm and the national team will benefit. And a footnote to an earlier post. Rangers ECWC team of 1972 was also all-Scottish, not just Celtic's EC team of 67.

7

The Man Who Knows,

Perth 10/06/2007 08:30:43

Season 2007/08? No contest. Celtic are streets (ie millions) ahead of the rest.

8

BILLYPOPE,

Larkbridge 10/06/2007 08:51:23

#4 - the OF are not going to fork off even if they join another league. They will still be based here in scotland and will still have the popularity and financial muscle to sign players from the smaller teams, in fact if they ever get into the EPL it will become even more so. The currently skewed media coverage would become even more skewed, to the detriment of the remaining 'Scottish Super League' or whatever.
The only difference for the other teams is you would not have to play the OF any more.
Is that what you really want? (And if you reply please no references to the joys of not having Weegie barstewards in our nice non-sectarian grounds or any such tosh).

9

BOJAN,

Florida U.S.A. 10/06/2007 09:19:27

First of all,,, #2 you are named aptly,
you do belong in the jungle when you make stupid remarks like this..... Last season your team played absolutely garbage,,, look back on your season and see how many games they stole. This just proves how really bad Celtic were. DIDNT YOUR OWN SUPPORTERS BOO THAT CORNER BOY OF A MANAGER STRACHAN FOR THE LAST 10 GAMES OF THE SEASON.. WHAT DID THAT TELL YOU YOU MORON....
#3 keep on dreaming. when did you come up with this conclusion ?? they would never last.I am looking forward to the new season, we will show you who the real masters are,,reluctantly i write this for the benefit of the HAIL HAIL BOYS OUT THERE. #7 My answer to you is go and bile yir heid,your in dreamland/////////

10

chooseamane,

scotland 10/06/2007 09:39:07

i like the reference to scott brown attending rangers matches. he said himself he only went to reserve games to watch his cousin, a bit of spin from the author to suit his point?

selective journalism is the biggest problem with the british media

11

I-Mac,

10/06/2007 09:45:03

"i like the reference to scott brown attending rangers matches. he said himself he only went to reserve games to watch his cousin, a bit of spin from the author to suit his point?"

Or a bit of spin from Scott Brown (or his advisors)?

12

Wegie man,

Glasgow 10/06/2007 09:49:50

#9-banjo-Is your glass Half full or half empty ,the latter me thinks,how many games where stole at the last minute as opposed the the ones that where snattched from Rankers at the last moment,as for looking back the history books will show a winning season as that is what most people read only,but will ask why Rankers never even made a final .

13

Chas,

Glasgow 10/06/2007 10:14:49

Who cares about whether Brown watched rangers or not when he was young. King Kenny was a Rangers fan as a boy but it didn't stop him from putting them to the sword regularly as a Celtic player. The signing of Brown was a kick in the balls for Rangers, as he is clearly the better of the 2 Hibs midfielders up for sale and one that Rangers wanted.

As for Bojan the Bawbag--have you watched rangers recently? If so you'd realise they're totally pish and nothing to worry about from a Celtic perspective.

14

Jock,

10/06/2007 10:20:17

Now William Pontiff (it is Sunday after all)
Nobody said they don’t want the OF in the League or visiting our grounds but there seems to be a larger sectarian force follows the OF at away games just turn down the volume on your TV and you won’t here it William,
Now on the matter of televised games there is a drop in attendance at most of these games and it might be the unsavoury element who don’t go to home games that are getting there hands on the tickets. If you look round the ground there seems to be large empty spaces at most of these televised games and the home team keeps the gate money while the OF get the large slice of the TV cash as they are always on when playing away from home. Now if these people are ejected or arrested for there unsavoury behaviour they are not going to be that bothered that they are barred from an away ground, are they? While if they do it at home games bang go’s the season ticket and a ban from the Holy Grail. That’s the difference and the deterrent that the OF have now warned supporters about at home games.
As for non sectarian grounds yes the vast majority are with the exception of when the OF come calling. Ask any person outside the OF about the other sad individuals who get there hands on tickets just to shout abuse at there rivals when they come calling at there local town teams venue, these will be the people who have never seen or been to Glasgow to follow the Old firm and own a McEwans lager or a CR Smith top but find it a necessity to attend at least four games a season to vent there fury at or support the OF, in the wrong end of the stadium and find it offensive to be pointed out and ejected from the ground for there unsavoury behaviour, and just can’t believe that they would be shopped or routed out for calling someone an orange or papist so and so. Now William you must be an OF supporter because ask anybody else on here not an OF supporter and you will get the drift that these people have missed out

15

Loki,

Valhalla 10/06/2007 10:36:07

Celtic will beat Rangers and buy Naismith for 1.5 million. Just like they beat them for Scott Brown for 4.5 million.

Only thing is, there is no English bid. Killie wouldn't claim something that wasn't true just to get more money for him? Every team could just be ensuring Celtic's funds are sucked up. No that would be paranoia however we are the MOPE so it could be right.

Remember to get your planning in early for the extension to that bench at Parkhead. Mind you with Glasgow city council should be easy. Still plenty of 3 short plankers in the team available for the wood. Plenty of posters on here would give you a ready hand if you ask nicely.

16

Ian,

10/06/2007 10:48:01

Why is it footballers ALWAYS support a team "as a boy" ? Do they automatically give up having feelings fot their team when they reach the age of 18 ? Here's me thinking once a fan always a fan.

Tommy Burns reckons Celtic got their man (Hartley) because he always supported Celtic - Anytime Hearts played Celtic he was the most fired up person on the pitch and had a dreadful raport with visiting Sellick fans that would gladly have lynched him on a couple of occassions.Whenever taking corners at the "wong" end I reckoned he was going to get hauled in by the raging away fans.

Oh yes - nearly forgot - best bit of business yet by Vlad was getting 1.2m from the sale of PH as he has not kicked a ball in a Hearts,Scotland or Sellick shirt since April 2006.Hopeless.

17

Bigotsrbigotsandnotsupporters,

Glasgow 10/06/2007 11:24:31

Please guys STOP this OLD FIRM reference
The teams are Rangers and Celtic.
They are not joined at the hip
They have absolutely NOTHING in common
other than they play in Glasgow.
I for one, want no association with our rivals, and I'm sure they feel the same about my own team.
It is a convenient label for Lazy Journalists.
If you hate them both, then thats fine, but it's a bit like hating the Tories and the Scottish Socialists, both ends of the spectrum., but certainly not alike.

18

The Man Who Knows,

Perth 10/06/2007 12:05:00

17

Fair point but why are they called the Old Firm?

19

Vincent Doherty,

Dublin 10/06/2007 14:34:35

Both the Rangers Trust and their fanbase in general must be be over the moon at seeing the views so articulately expressed by BOJAN in Florida.

Clearly such a perceptive voice is what's missing in the Scottish press and in football puditry in general.

I for one hope that we will hear more from BOJAN and that for all our sakes he is only on his holidays.

Celtic cantering to the title by a country mile in double figures and for the second season in a row cruising to 'the double' whilst in the words of Maldini "being the only team in Europe we had to beat to win the Champoions League" doesn't cut any ice with BOJAN.

For him Celtic were "absoloute rubbish." I'm not sure if Bo has stopped to think it through? If Celtic were 'absoloute rubbish' I'd be interested how that would affect his categorisation of the lesser clubs that fought it out for second and third positions in the SPL from November onwards. What does Bo think of them?

But lets not be too judgemental.
The boy clearly has a future in terms of Scottish football punditry, after all didn't slightly over half the senior football correspondends predict the immenent victory of the 'French revoloution' this time last season. What makes it even funnier was that they weren't even having a laugh. Unlike the Celtic supporters. Come back Paul Le Guen. All is forgiven.

20

BOJAN,

Florida usa 10/06/2007 18:51:05

Lets face it #19 (dublin ) do you really believe this team of yours would have ever outlasted the celtic team of the old days, stop kidding yourself buddy.This present team are on there way out. What i was passing comment on was the luck they have been carrying on over the last 2 seasons, dont try and tell me they have been playing top notch soccer, the time has come for them to be stepping down,i dont care how many players they think of stealing from Rangers.Once Rangers show any interest in a player
celtic step in and pull the player from Rangers grasp,guess what #19,the ones they have bought recently, you are welcome to them all,as far as i am concerned they were never in the Rangers calibra,this you will find out in the new season coming up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, incidently #19 i am not here on holiday, i have lived for many many years,,,,,,,,, but i still like to voice my opinion,,,,,,,

21

BrotherGrim,

10/06/2007 21:04:56

rangers calibre? sebo anyone?

22

John Paul,

Co Limerick 10/06/2007 21:12:33

I would anticipate a much more vigorous challenge next season from Rangers. It is gratifying to see Celtic win the double but their form in the last few months must be worrying for next season. Hopefully midfield will begin to provide a decent service for the strikers. We can hardly hope to succeed again with such a meagre goals total.

23

begbie_68,

Earth 10/06/2007 21:18:43

#20 If Celtic can reach the last 16 in the Champions League,losing to the eventual winners aet, with a team "on there(sic) way out" what do you imagine is going to happen next season? Are Rangers or perhaps others, with their top class signings going to be able to close the gap? Methinks not! Clearly that Florida sunshine is boiling your heid!

24

BlueNose NZ,

Auckland 10/06/2007 21:30:22

Sadly, yet again people come on these threads and show their lack of football knowledge and respect.

According to most of you Celtic have already won the league next year and Rangers are this that and the other according to some of the above posts.

I have never personally gloated or slagged off another team or player or manager of any other team on these threads.

So come guys, you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Celtic already have the league won, unless you have had amnesia since WS took over at Rangers, that so called 'pish' team to quote just one of you, outpointed, outscored, conceded less goals and beat Celtic twice since WS took over. You were at best an 'okay' team in a very poor league and you have at least as much rebuilding, if not more than Rangers to hold on to your title. I think both Edinburgh teams will be strong challengers next year too.

25

BlueNose NZ,

Auckland 10/06/2007 22:26:50

#22 John Paul

Respectful, Honest and realistic post - well done my friend:-)

Faith in 'real' football fans partly restored.

26

Mr Benn,

Blarney 11/06/2007 06:53:02

It seems to be tradition to gloat at the other teams expense, particularly in the close season. Rangers will be a different prospect next season however I fell it is misleading to talk about rangers being the stronger team over the second half of the season past as, just like Celtic, when rangers had little to play for they subsequently lost games they were previously winning.

27

Number 1 Hun,

Hungary 11/06/2007 09:15:33

Kenny Misser? No thanks.
Paul "Rangers hater" Hartley? No thanks.
Scott McDonald, celtic family? No thanks.
Scott Brown, 4.5 million? Ha,ha,ha! No thanks.

28

JPF,

11/06/2007 09:19:35

I understand why Tommy Burns is frightened - Rangers will always have more money than Celtic (and everybody else) - we simply have richer supporters. Scotlands rich establishment people support the Rangers, simple as.

29

notabhoy,

Edinburgh 11/06/2007 09:24:04

I've, personally, got the highest respect for Tommy Burns, particularly given what he's gone through illness-wise - There's also the old story about how he talked Derek Ferguson through his first old firm derby, and I think that this gives some idea of the measure of the man. I think his comments were right on the money regarding Brown, Hartley and McDonald, to be honest, too.

I think that it's good that Rangers and Celtic men can have that rivalry, but, at the same time, have a high level of respect for each other. Long may it continue.

Well - I can't wait for next season, and, as always, we very much welcome the chase! Let's hope that it's played in the right spirit, both on the pitch, and on here too, eh?

Enjoy the summer, folks!

30

Number 1 Hun,

Hungary 11/06/2007 09:48:15

#28 Exactly. While most of the celtic support are a drain on society by being lazy work-shy beggars.
#29 You respect Father Burns because he's been ill? Typical tim mentality, ie mental.

31

Tomislava,

Serbian loyal 11/06/2007 09:52:50

18 Perth, how ya doing, I believe they are called the old firm because years ago they were suspected of being in collusion with each other (a firm) by fixing results to be draws to get extra money out of the fans in replays

32

Number 1 Hun,

Hungary 11/06/2007 10:03:47

#31 Did you make that up or do you have some reference to it?

33

notabhoy,

Edinburgh 11/06/2007 10:16:37

#30. Err, I'm a ST holder. Are you, Mental Bhoy? It's possible to respect a celtic man, even if you don't support the team, y'know? Mentalist!

34

notabhoy,

Edinburgh 11/06/2007 10:22:28

#30. PS in case you hadn't worked it out: a GERS season ticket holder. I bet you're the bloody idiot who sits in front of me too, spouting all sorts of nonsense.....!

35

The Man Who Knows,

Perth 11/06/2007 10:24:28

31

Thanks Tomislava. I have heard that one, but do you not think that the "Old Firm" nomenclature has more to do with the fact that neither club would be as wealthy/powerful without the hatred of the "fans" of the other? The hatred keeps the business going, as it has done for well over one hundred years.

36

The Man Who Knows,

Perth 11/06/2007 10:26:06

30

Number 1 Hun, you sure add a bit of intelligence to this forum. Thank you for educating all of us.

37

JPF,

11/06/2007 10:35:11

30 - I didn't mean just celtic fans who are below us. People who follow the irrelevant clubs (ie all other teams) are also mostly work shy beggars i find, apart from some rangers wannabes/hearts fans who have wee Jambo jobs (standard life/the polis etc) and live in wee Jambo houses (west lothian) and drive wee Jambo cars (daewoo), and always want to be like us. We are, and always will be the people.

38

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 11/06/2007 10:38:52

36

TMWK, I agree. Number 1 Hun is a complete bampot, is he not?

39

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 11/06/2007 10:41:10

36

TMWK, apply that designation to JPF as well please. There must be some cheap Buckfast on the go this morning.

40

SCOTLAND 4EVER,

Falkirk 11/06/2007 11:09:38

Just to let you guys know the answer to #18 - This comes straight from the horses mouth. It is part of both the Rangers and Celtic Forums - (The nickname 'The Old Firm' originated during the early year of the 20th century when the clubs began to dominate Scottish football and the term in part referred to the financial benefits associated with their frequent meetings.) Hope this helps answer the question.

41

Tomislava,

Serbian loyal 11/06/2007 12:29:44

32 35, Perth and Hun, hi lads, I actually read it in the Rangers Miscellaneous book, sorry I don’t have it to hand to give you publishers, author details etc, but its in there (great wee book by the way)

42

Tomislava,

Serbian loyal 11/06/2007 12:40:20

35 Perth, can't really say I agree with you here mate, I don’t think that is why they are called the old firm. But to be honest with you, I have no problems with the hatred of the fans, it’s a football match, like other derbies all over the world, they are hot and passionate, great, love it, I would rather have that than to be in a sterile atmosphere eating cucumber sandwiches, no thank you buddy ,,, I honestly don’t mind them calling me an orange “B”, or trying to wind me up by singing rebel songs etc, they can sing what they want, totally fine by me, makes a great atmosphere, just please don’t expect me to hold up my hands in horror because some Tim calls me a Hun, and don’t expect me to go to an old firm game and sit nice and quietly, no way


 

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